Excel LG

[janezee]

So much has been written about it, I looked it up, because of the late blight that hits my garden every year.
I'm glad I did. No way is that stuff going on my plants, or in my system.
I'd rather live without tomatoes.

http://www.planetnatural.com/planetn...l-lg-label.pdf

j

[Sun City Linda]

I was a little freaked out when I read the precautions on Serenade also. I am wondering if they dont all do this as a CYA. I sold bank owned real estate for about 30 years. In the early years, when we actual wrote contract conditions we used to do the same thing. Just made a long list of everything that might possibly go wrong, not based on any known problem. ie; roof may not be water tight, electrical system may not be safe in daily use, etc.

[Chrissykin]

Now you post this.

I just ordered some yesterday. The best price I found was at hydrogalaxy for a qt. $25.89 w/free shipping. I just got a shipping notice a few minutes ago. So I guess I am not out to much if I decide to not use it.

[RayR]

CYA is exactly why those warning labels are there. When any product is in the hands of the end user, there is no telling what they might do with it intentionally or carelessly. You wouldn't want to take a swig of Excel LG, breath it in, pour it on your skin or let your children play with it, but used as directed Phosphorous Acids are perfectly safe for plants and animals, just not so safe for oomycetes like Late Blight or Downy Mildew.

[Crandrew]

So is it going to give me cancer eating a tomato which grew on a bush sprayed with exel lg?

[amideutch]

CYA is exactly why those warning labels are there. When any product is in the hands of the end user, there is no telling what they might do with it intentionally or carelessly. You wouldn't want to take a swig of Excel LG, breath it in, pour it on your skin or let your children play with it, but used as directed Phosphorous Acids are perfectly safe for plants and animals, just not so safe for oomycetes like Late Blight or Downy Mildew.

Exactly. Here is another quote concerning the above.

Mono- and Di-Potassium Salts of Phosphorous Acid is unlikely to affect human health when used according to label directions.

Exposure to mono- and di-potassium salts of phosphorous acid may occur when handling and applying the product. When assessing health risks, two key factors are considered:

the levels where no health effects occur; and
the levels to which people may be exposed.
The dose levels used to assess risks are established to protect the most sensitive human population (for example, children and nursing mothers). Only uses for which the exposure is well below levels that cause no effects in animal testing are considered acceptable for registration.

Mono- and di-potassium salts of phosphorous acid is of low toxicity by the oral, dermal and inhalation routes, and only minimally irritating to the eyes. The precautionary label statement indicating that contact with eyes must be avoided, and the personal protective equipment statement that applicators and other handlers must wear protective eyewear are effective mitigative measures to reduce the risk associated with the use of this chemical.

As far as it's affect on the eco-system and the Rhizo-Bacteria/Fungi when used as directed it has little effect according to studies and is considered Bio-Friendly. It can be mixed with Actinovate which is a organic product with no effects on the Bacteria used in Actinovate. Ami

[Crandrew]

Im so confused now

[lakelady]

I think every product needs to be used with care, organic or not. The simplest, most seemingly benign ingredients are just fine by themselves, mix them inappropriately and you have a completely different animal, one that becomes dangerous.

What I cannot figure out is why labels will say "this product is known to cause cancer in the state of California". Um, okay, so what about the rest of the country? Does it not cause cancer in NJ or Ohio? What does that mean exactly, and if something is a known carcinogen, why is it available for sale? Am I the only person who is confused by this?

[meadowyck]

lakelady, I'm with ya on the confusion. If something is a know carcinogen, then why on God's green earth is it for sale??????????

Jan

[RayR]

Originally Posted by lakelady

I think every product needs to be used with care, organic or not. The simplest, most seemingly benign ingredients are just fine by themselves, mix them inappropriately and you have a completely different animal, one that becomes dangerous.

What I cannot figure out is why labels will say "this product is known to cause cancer in the state of California". Um, okay, so what about the rest of the country? Does it not cause cancer in NJ or Ohio? What does that mean exactly, and if something is a known carcinogen, why is it available for sale? Am I the only person who is confused by this?

I believe everything is is known to cause cancer in the state of California.
Seriously though, it's more CYA, because of California law companies may post that on their label even if the cancer risk from exposure to chemical compounds in their product is unknown or not supported by scientific evidence.

[Crandrew]

Originally Posted by RayR

I believe everything is is known to cause cancer in the state of California.
Seriously though, it's more CYA, because of California law companies may post that on their label even if the cancer risk from exposure to chemical compounds in their product is unknown or not supported by scientific evidence.

And...there are probably a lot of elements that actually do cause cancer. Meh, who knows. Not to mention rises in things like allergies and autism.

[amideutch]

So is it going to give me cancer eating a tomato which grew on a bush sprayed with exel lg?

Crandrew, no it won't! Here is the listing from pesticideinfo.org for Phosphorous Acid (EXEL LG) concerning Carcinogens from 5 different organizations. As you can see it is not on any of their lists. Ami

Cancer Information Phosphorous acid

IARC Carcinogens= Not Listed
U.S. NTP Carcinogens= Not Listed
California Prop 65 Known Carcinogens= Not Listed
U.S. EPA Carcinogens= Not Listed
TRI Carcinogen= Not Listed

[ScottinAtlanta]

Originally Posted by meadowyck

lakelady, I'm with ya on the confusion. If something is a know carcinogen, then why on God's green earth is it for sale??????????

Jan

Because almost every substance is known to cause cancer at some level in some laboratory animals. And there are many traditional foods that would never pass FDA testing as a food additive.

Using these lab tests (based on animals bred over generations for hyper-sensitivity to carcinogens), one of the most dangerous carcinogens in the American food supply today is.....black pepper. Causes cancer in every laboratory test.

[RayR]

Originally Posted by ScottinAtlanta

Because almost every substance is known to cause cancer at some level in some laboratory animals. And there are many traditional foods that would never pass FDA testing as a food additive.

Using these lab tests (based on animals bred over generations for hyper-sensitivity to carcinogens), one of the most dangerous carcinogens in the American food supply today is.....black pepper. Causes cancer in every laboratory test.

Scott, we'd all die of starvation if we were frightened by every lab test where some rats were overdosed with particular compounds that caused cancer. No, I won't give up my black pepper, but then I won't be mainlining any black pepper extracts either.

[ScottinAtlanta]

For those worried about carcinogens, you should also avoid basil, which has the same carcinogen as black pepper. So does nutmeg. The same carcinogen is found in sassafras, which is why sassafras is banned by FDA from the food supply unless treated to remove the carcinogen.