Gogosha tomato and Gogoshary ?

[michael johnson]

I have seen a few seed sellers listing Gogosha tomato which I understand is quite a good tomato, and I have also seen a few listing Gogoshary tomato - are they both the same tomato with just a slight variation in name.

[carolyn137]

They are completely different varieties Michael.

Gogosha is a large pink beefsteak variety, PL, indet, and seeds were from a former student of mine, Tanya Gogosha, and the variety is from the Tarnipal region of the Ukraine.

Novogogoshary, which is the proper name of the variety you refer to, is a medium flat red, RL, semi-determinate to indet, partially hollow, ribbed, with thick walls and very prolific.

Carolyn

[Joel5000]

I've always wanted to grow Gogosha ever since I saw the beautiful pink color pictured in Carolyn's book. Maybe next year.

[michael johnson]

Thanks Carolyn, I often wondered about that - the real Gogosha is quite hard to get hold of there seems to be only a couple of seed sellers who have it on their lists.

[Andrey_BY]

There is also Gogoshary Striped (Gogoshary Polosaty) tomato which has rather the same goof hollow stuffer as Gogoshary, but with beautiful yellow and pink stripes on a red body and has bigger size. I have it in my collection. It looks like a plain tomato pepper.

[carolyn137]

Andrey,

What is the origin of the striped one? It sounds like a cross to me b'c it's so different from the original one.

Carolyn

[Andrey_BY]

Carolyn, I've bought it in Moscow in one shop for gardeners and it was in commercial packaging by the seed company Biotechnika from St.Peterburg. I don't think they are originator for this variety because they are famous mostly for cold tolerant tomatoes suitable for open soil growing for Zone3/4. As I remember sometimes they pack the seeds from different sources too.
But I think I know the origin of the word Gogoshary. There is a big Moldovian village with the name Gogoshary. It is also a variety name for plain tomato-type red sweet pepper from Moldovia. It was since Soviet Union time that we used to call all cheese-type plain sweet peppers as Gogoshary

[carolyn137]

So that seed company is selling the striped one but no one really knows what the origin of the striped one is. OK, got it.

Thanks for the possible origin of the word Gogoshary as it might relate to the variety of the same name, for that's good to know that it could indeed be a Moldovan variety.

Carolyn

[Andrey_BY]

When our seed coimpanies don't know who is the real originator for variety they would like to distribute, they either mention "amateur gardener's variety" or "folk's breeding" or tried to mention their as an originator :wink:

Probably you are right about Gogoshary Striped to be Moldovan variety, but as I already explained here we have all the things and processes very mixed among 15 Republics inside Soviet Union and everything can happen. For example, any breeding Lab from Moscow could name this variety after this famous Moldovian cheese-type sweet pepper just because it looked like it...

One other remark I need to admit here. There are countries now which were called Moldovian Soviet Republic in SU times. They are Moldova itself and Pridnestrovian Moldovian Republic. In 1990 there was a military conflict between these 2 parts of former MSR and Russia helped Pridnestrovie to become a single independant State inside Moldova with more Russian speaking people in this part and more pro-Romanians in the main Moldova part. But regarding seed industry Pridnestrovie has more power and some really respected breeding Institutes like Prindestrovie Research Agricultural Institute which is originator for so many well-known tomato varieties in my list and in general.
So now we separate Moldovian and Pridnestrovian varieties :wink:

Originally Posted by carolyn137

So that seed company is selling the striped one but no one really knows what the origin of the striped one is. OK, got it.

Thanks for the possible origin of the word Gogoshary as it might relate to the variety of the same name, for that's good to know that it could indeed be a Moldovan variety.

Carolyn