Brandywine #45

[edweather]

Not really a question, more of a comment. Was listening to a call-in Garden program (The Weeders Digest) on the radio last Saturday morning, and a caller mentioned that he grew an awesome tomato called a Brandywine #45. I'm only a novice grower, but thought I'd at least seen most of the Brandywine names, but I never heard of it before. The professional doing the program had never heard of it either. So I went online and the only mention of it is on Tatiana's site, and it looks to me like Brandwine #45 is the same as the regular Brandywine (pink), PL. Just found it interesting that someone would refer to it by that seemingly obscure name.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by edweather

Not really a question, more of a comment. Was listening to a call-in Garden program (The Weeders Digest) on the radio last Saturday morning, and a caller mentioned that he grew an awesome tomato called a Brandywine #45. I'm only a novice grower, but thought I'd at least seen most of the Brandywine names, but I never heard of it before. The professional doing the program had never heard of it either. So I went online and the only mention of it is on Tatiana's site, and it looks to me like Brandwine #45 is the same as the regular Brandywine (pink), PL. Just found it interesting that someone would refer to it by that seemingly obscure name.

Ed asked this question elsewhere and I answered, with some links, but the site was running crazy and I lost the whole post and told him I'd redo it, but he already posted it here I see.

Briefly, if you go to Tania's site about Brandywine, you'll see a long quote from someone at Johnson and Stokes talking about #45. But the connection with the Johnson and Stokes #45 is to Red Brandywine, not Brandywine.

I think there may even be a thread in the Legacy Forum about this, I know I have a picture from the Johnson and Stokes catalog, a line drawing is what they showed, and Amy Goldman in her book also shows that line drawing as well and concludes that is also Red Brandywine and says it's the first of the Brandywines known.Tom Hauch was the one who got what we know as RB out of the SSE Yearbook, sent seeds to Steve Miller at the Landis Museum in PA and it was Steve who did the background work to find that it was RL, Amish, the only one documented to be so and dated to about 1885 or so.


It's hard to determine the exact age of the Sudduth/Quisenberry one, given to Ben Quisenberry by Doris Suddth Hill, so I don't think that question has been answered either.

Actually there are several companies that claim they were the first to have what was called Brandywine and the variety Mikado has been mentioned as well.

I do think that looking at the Legacy Forum here about these issues might help as well as Craig's website where I think he goes into the history of the Brandywines.

All for now.

Carolyn

[Tormato]

Hmm... the only thing I can add to this thread is...

Edweather,

Can your avatar (not you) count to 45?

Dr. Lve apple

Who, this year, may be trialing...

Brandywine Sudduth
Brandywine Croatia
Brandywine, Joyce's
Brandywine Liam's
Brandywine Iva's
Brandywine OTV
Brandywine, Red
Brandywine "Pink"
"Brandywine"
and of course, the Red Brandywines that aren't Red Brandywine

It almost makes me want some brandy, or some wine.

[edweather]

Thanks for the info. OK, so at least it's partially cleared up by the fact it's probably the Red Brandywine, and definitely not Brandywine. So I'm assuming that no Brandywine tomato seeds are sold under the #45 label. Again, just thought it was odd for someone to refer to it by a name that nobody could buy the seed under. I will probably pass this good information along to the guy that does the call-in show.

Tormato......what do you mean "your avatar?" That is my picture!

Only kidding. My beard is much longer and I'm not that good looking. No, my avatar cannot count to 45. Numbers that big weren't invented yet. Plus he usually wakes up on the wrong side of the rock anyway. :-) Nice to have a comment on my avatar. Wasn't sure this thing was on. Tap tap tap.

This year I'm definitely growing Brandywine Suddeth, and probably Red Brandywine.

Thanks. Ed

[carolyn137]

[QUOTE=Tormato;334208]Hmm... the only thing I can add to this thread is...

Edweather,

Can your avatar (not you) count to 45?

Dr. Lve apple

Who, this year, may be trialing...

Brandywine Sudduth
Brandywine Croatia
Brandywine, Joyce's, selected by Chuck Wyatt, named for his wife, supposed to be an early Brandywine, but isn't

Brandywine Liam's, not a Brandywine at all. A friend of Craig's was helping to grow out saved seeds from the accidental cross between Brandywine and Tad, found this pink one which has Tad genes in it as well, so not pure Brandywine

Brandywine Iva's, Iva has excplained that one before

Brandywine OTV, not pure Brandywine either, a selection from an accidental cross where Yellow Brandywine was the female parent

Brandywine, Red

Brandywine "Pink"
"Brandywine"

Which "pink Brandywines, those who have grown out many of the so called strains, which aren't, see little difference.

and of course, the Red Brandywines that aren't Red Brandywine

The two that Linda lists at TGS that aren't, were goofs sent to her by Seeds by Design in CA, but she keeps listing them, despite my screams, b'c she says that many like them. Sigh.

It almost makes me want some brandy, or some wine.

$$$$$$$
Think I'll go have a Diet Pepsi right now b'c I have many more seeds to pack and am not in the mood for that right now. Whoops, here come some snowflakes.

Carolyn

[carolyn137]

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.ph...kes+Brandywine

As I said above, the Legacy Forum is a good place to go and I did a search first and came up with the above link which adds info to what I said above.

Carolyn

[GunnarSK]

I have seeds and will probably sow:
Brandywine Sudduth
Brandywine Cowlick
Brandywine x Iva, an RL cross with an unknown father, Seeds (probably F3) from grunt.
Brandywine True Black
Brandywine Yellow

Never heard about Brandywine #45 and not going to grow any red ones.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by GunnarSK

I have seeds and will probably sow:
Brandywine Sudduth
Brandywine Cowlick
Brandywine x Iva, an RL cross with an unknown father, Seeds (probably F3) from grunt.
Brandywine True Black
Brandywine Yellow

Never heard about Brandywine #45 and not going to grow any red ones.

Gunnar, if you haven't already done so please read the thread in the Legacy Forum about True Black Brandywine.

Carolyn

[edweather]

OK, so now I'm confused. According to the link to the '188? Johnson and Stokes' from Tatiana's site, it looks like the #45 is clearly the larger Brandywine, and not the smaller red one. It's described in this old seed catalog ad as being up to 3 lbs. What am I missing??

http://nctomatoman.topcities.com/See...Brandywine.jpg

Thanks. Ed

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by edweather

OK, so now I'm confused. According to the link to the '188? Johnson and Stokes' from Tatiana's site, it looks like the #45 is clearly the larger Brandywine, and not the smaller red one. It's described in this old seed catalog ad as being up to 3 lbs. What am I missing??

http://nctomatoman.topcities.com/See...Brandywine.jpg

Thanks. Ed

What you're missing is the fact that if you read older seed seed catalogs in the time period specified, and even now, PR was one of THE major forces at work and back then, late 1800's there was fierce competition between seed vendors, so you really can't believe all you read.

Some would take a variety, rename it and claim it as a unique variety that they introduced. When I look at my 1939 Michigan Bulletin it's really amazing to see all the synonyms that were given to ONE variety by different seed companies.

You did read where it said in that link about #45 that folks should buy seeds ASAP b'c they don't have that many seeds. Right.

I could send you to a couple of seed sites NOW, where the same message is being given, but won't.

#45 is Red Brandywine and fruit sizes are not, and probably never were in the 3lb range.

Carolyn, noting that some seed vendors are more reliable than others when it comes to descriptions of tomato varieties. That's been true forever.

[edweather]

OK, thanks. I guess I just needed to be convinced that it wasn't the larger brandywine. I sent Terry Ettinger, the host of the radio program, some of the information about the #45. I also mentioned in my email to him that I'd love to know if the guy that called in about that tomato has any seeds by that name and/or where he got them from. I doubt that he does. ;-) Ed

[Tormato]

I forgot about Glick's and Cowlicks. I think I have both of them.

Carolyn,

The Red Brandywines that are not Red Brandywines I mentioned are Earl's Faux and Seek-No-Further Love Apple. Someday, maybe I'll get to the ones you mentioned.

The "Brandywine" and Brandywine "Pink" are from commercial sources. I've trialed a few of these "generic" Brandywines years ago, and don't believe they are at all the same as Brandywine Sudduth. I did a side-by-side trial.


Gary