Siberian

[matilda'skid]

When I google for images and information on the tomato (looking for DTM for the Tormato Swap), most of what turns up is not the tomato I grow. Mine is from Sandhill Preservation. It is a small tomato oval 2 inches by 1 inches, red, sets fruit in the heat, nothing seems to bother it. Some other places have a tomato called Siberian or Siberian Red that sounds like a bigger tomato. I will always plant Siberian because it so dependable. I am wondering if the other one is worth a try. What is the shape of the real Siberian?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by matilda'skid

When I google for images and information on the tomato (looking for DTM for the Tormato Swap), most of what turns up is not the tomato I grow. Mine is from Sandhill Preservation. It is a small tomato oval 2 inches by 1 inches, red, sets fruit in the heat, nothing seems to bother it. Some other places have a tomato called Siberian or Siberian Red that sounds like a bigger tomato. I will always plant Siberian because it so dependable. I am wondering if the other one is worth a try. What is the shape of the real Siberian?

http://www.seedsavers.org/onlinestor...e=49%2C87%2C87

Above is a link to the page in the SSE Public Catalog that shows the true Siberian. THey used to list both that one and Siberia, but now just the one.Click on the picture to read the description.

Glenn at Sadhill says....early, with heavy yields on bushy plants, fruits are 2-3 oz size, so consistent with the SSE blurb, but less detailed. Note that Will Bonsall is the originator of the true Siberian in the link from the SSE catalog and since Glenn and he know each other well I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn got it from Will, either through an SSE listing or directly.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/S...b=General_Info

Above a link to Siberian Red, and Tomatofest the only place that lists it and says it's from Russia.

Note that Siberian is from the Lowden Collection in Canada.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

[matilda'skid]

Thanks Carolyn,
When people recommend an early tomato, you don't know which one they mean. I guess that happens with other tomatoes. Your link gave me a DTM which is what I was looking for in the first place.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by matilda'skid

Thanks Carolyn,
When people recommend an early tomato, you don't know which one they mean. I guess that happens with other tomatoes. Your link gave me a DTM which is what I was looking for in the first place.

First, IMO and that of others, DTM's are useless guesstimates. If you look at a specific variety in the SSE YEarbooks you'll see a range of DTM's for that variety and that's b'c one can only state a DTM if grown one year, since the next year it could be totally different based on several variables.

In addition, it depends where it's grown, in a geographic sense and how the tomatoes are grown as well.

I switched to using a range of days to first ripe fruit for early, mid season and late varieties, which is really more truthful. And Glenn Drowns at Sandhill agreed with me and now he does the same at his website and in his catalog.

If someone asks for an early variety and doesn't make a suggestion then all bets are off, and to indicate that here's a link from Tania's database where many hundreds of early ones are listed.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...Early_Tomatoes

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

[Fusion_power]

It would be better to have a "growing degree days above 60 (15C)" standard. Unfortunately, GDD/60 has not been used with tomatoes to my knowledge.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Fusion_power

It would be better to have a "growing degree days above 60 (15C)" standard. Unfortunately, GDD/60 has not been used with tomatoes to my knowledge.

Yes it has Darrel. I've seen quite a few folks in the PNW who use it for tomatoes. With the weather they have there, which can be so variable, apparently it works well for some.

Carolyn

[MrBig46]

Is it some chance read something more about GDD somewhere? Thank you for answer in advance.
Vladimír

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

Is it some chance read something more about GDD somewhere? Thank you for answer in advance.
Vladimír

https://www.google.com/#q=growing+degree+days+tomatoes

Above is a general Google search which I limited to just tomatoes as to GDD although it can be used for other crops as well.

Several of the links explain how to do it and why it helps some folks. Just find the links that tell you the most.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

[MrBig46]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

https://www.google.com/#q=growing+degree+days+tomatoes

Above is a general Google search which I limited to just tomatoes as to GDD although it can be used for other crops as well.

Several of the links explain how to do it and why it helps some folks. Just find the links that tell you the most.

Hope that helps,

Carolyn

Thank you Carolyn. It like me. I shall use it for the contrast between tomatoes for example Stupické polní rané-Stupické skleníkové-Stupice in 2014 year. I have a good information about temperatures, b/c meteorological station is only 15 km from my garden.
Vladimír

[Doug9345]

I find it interesting how different places are. if I go north 15km from where I live I'm in a different world. They will have two or three times the snow. The first and last frost dates likely will be two weeks earlier and later respectively.

The Great lakes have a big effect on our weather.


The way I want to use DTM is in a relative sense. It doesn't matter so much for tomatoes, but take bush beans for example. I don't care if a variety that is listed at 55 days actually takes 60. What I do care is that if I have 2 varieties listed as 55 and 60 days that they come in in that order with approximately that spread. The problem is that most catalogs get their numbers from a variety of sources. and it's impossible to tell if the difference in DTM is because of variety or environment.
I suspect for some early varieties it's the shortest time anyone has ever seen or heard of ONE ripening.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

Thank you Carolyn. It like me. I shall use it for the contrast between tomatoes for example Stupické polní rané-Stupické skleníkové-Stupice in 2014 year. I have a good information about temperatures, b/c meteorological station is only 15 km from my garden.
Vladimír

Not about GDD but asking you a question from your above post.

There were four Stupikes, two for field growing and two for glasshouse growing.

I haven no idea of which one I grew initially, but was sent a commercial package from Europe for the rani one, and it was the same as the Stupike one I'd grown.

About 10 years, or so, at Garden Web, an attempt was made to find out who the breeder of these varieties was.One person did reach the breeding station where they were known to be bred, but the woman there said she could not locate who the breeder was.

We also know that it was Milan Sodomka who distributed seeds of what we knew here as Stupice and some other Czech varieties outside of what was then Czechkoslovakia, but he was not the breeder, just the person who distributed them around.I remember another one was called, I think,Czech Bush.

Do you know who the breeder was for the four Stupikes?

Carolyn

[MrBig46]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Not about GDD but asking you a question from your above post.

There were four Stupikes, two for field growing and two for glasshouse growing.

I haven no idea of which one I grew initially, but was sent a commercial package from Europe for the rani one, and it was the same as the Stupike one I'd grown.

About 10 years, or so, at Garden Web, an attempt was made to find out who the breeder of these varieties was.One person did reach the breeding station where they were known to be bred, but the woman there said she could not locate who the breeder was.

We also know that it was Milan Sodomka who distributed seeds of what we knew here as Stupice and some other Czech varieties outside of what was then Czechkoslovakia, but he was not the breeder, just the person who distributed them around.I remember another one was called, I think,Czech Bush.

Do you know who the breeder was for the four Stupikes?

Carolyn

Carolyn, I know the letter of Milan Sodomka and I want resolve all problems with Czech tomatoes on this web in the tread Czech OP tomatoes, which I advanced. But for example Czech Bush is not resoluble.
All informations about tomatoes Stupice (protocols about the tests and the homologation) are in the archives of ÚKZÚZ. I had an invitation to copy some documents in May, but It didn´t give effect, because Mrs Řičicová (she pledged it) ended in ÚKZÚZ in the meantime. I follow a new contact now.
Vladimír
PS.:I have a big problems to write something by English language in a truth.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by MrBig46

Carolyn, I know the letter of Milan Sodomka and I want resolve all problems with Czech tomatoes on this web in the tread Czech OP tomatoes, which I advanced. But for example Czech Bush is not resoluble.
All informations about tomatoes Stupice (protocols about the tests and the homologation) are in the archives of ÚKZÚZ. I had an invitation to copy some documents in May, but It didn´t give effect, because Mrs Řičicová (she pledged it) ended in ÚKZÚZ in the meantime. I follow a new contact now.
Vladimír
PS.:I have a big problems to write something by English language in a truth.

I wonder if it was Mrs. R that was finally contacted if she was there about 10 years ago.

I'm glad you have a new contact and I will look at your other thread about Czech tomatoes that you're growing for any new information.

Don't worry about your English which I can follow just fine and if I have questions I can always ask you .Think of it this way. My Czech language skills are ZERO, that's 0, so you're way ahead of me.

Carolyn

[Desert Jonathan]

Vladimír, I am with Carolyn. Your English is very good and my Czech is also ZERO "0".
Now that i think about it, it's not your english that we have a problem with. It's the funny character's that your keyboard type's out. I think we can blame that one on Microsoft.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Desert Jonathan

Vladimír, I am with Carolyn. Your English is very good and my Czech is also ZERO "0".
Now that i think about it, it's not your english that we have a problem with. It's the funny character's that your keyboard type's out. I think we can blame that one on Microsoft.

No, not an MS problem.

Different languages have different accent marks that go with certain words, this is difficult to explain, but if I remembered which keys on the far right of my keyboard gave those accent marks, it would be better.

Just think of French and the forward and backward accent marks that go with so many words. And you'll often see a small o over a letter of some Scadinavian words.

Just a few exaamples I can think of, and oh, what's called a tilda with many Spanish words.

Carolyn