Has any one in my area grown these?

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Lavender Lake
Plumbush
Neffertiti
Joe's Portuguese
Don's Double Delight
Laketa
Muchamiel
Costoluto Fiorentino
Copper River

Chocolate cherry (considering growing one of these inside for fun)

I'm hoping some of our souththern California growers have trialed these and can hopefully clue me in as what to expect.

Most of the selections are based on what I know of the areas from which they come. or if any hints were given as to their heat resistance. Which becomes a major problem for us come ASO-SON

Others, were well they looked neat.

Gaston

[Hermitian]

I've grown Costoluto Fiorentino at my former home a little farther inland. My experience was the plant had the same vigor, size, and production as Better Boy. As advertised, it produces deeply ribbed tomatoes. It had only average shelf life. The taste was good, particularly in sandwiches. I hope it does well for you.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by epsilon

Lavender Lake
Plumbush
Neffertiti
Joe's Portuguese
Don's Double Delight
Laketa
Muchamiel
Costoluto Fiorentino
Copper River

Chocolate cherry (considering growing one of these inside for fun)

I'm hoping some of our souththern California growers have trialed these and can hopefully clue me in as what to expect.

Most of the selections are based on what I know of the areas from which they come. or if any hints were given as to their heat resistance. Which becomes a major problem for us come ASO-SON

Others, were well they looked neat.

Gaston

Yes, I've grown:

Joe's Portuguese

Don's Double Delight which I've offered in my seed offers for two years now

Muchemiel, which I wouldn 't grow again

And all of the costolutos, there are 4 now, and have grown all but the newest one. But the Costolutos and San Marzanos are just not what I want.

And of course I'm in upstatge, NY, not CA.

Did you get the Lavender Lake from Terry? Just curious.

Carolyn

[epsilon]

Actually,

I think I Picked up the lavender lake from Steve (Double helix) I seem to have pigeonholed Terry For being the carrier of interesting European pepper varieties. Though last year I did purchase Marmande Garnier Rouge.

Honestly I've always been a little afraid of Tomatoes, Being that I've heard so many variations in culture, One person told me that in the hotter areas in CA we should be using sun cloth as to cut down on the total direct light. This year I decided to break that phobia.

Also Carolyn Would you care to elaborate on your feelings about Muchamiel? I read in the Heirlooms not to grow thread, that you thought that the muchamiel were horrendous.

Gaston

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by epsilon

Actually,

I think I Picked up the lavender lake from Steve (Double helix) I seem to have pigeonholed Terry For being the carrier of interesting European pepper varieties. Though last year I did purchase Marmande Garnier Rouge.

Honestly I've always been a little afraid of Tomatoes, Being that I've heard so many variations in culture, One person told me that in the hotter areas in CA we should be using sun cloth as to cut down on the total direct light. This year I decided to break that phobia.

Also Carolyn Would you care to elaborate on your feelings about Muchamiel? I read in the Heirlooms not to grow thread, that you thought that the muchamiel were horrendous.

Gaston

Gaston, my answer is in this thread with several other folks posting their opinions.

http://www.tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=30444

Carolyn

[peebee]

I grew Copper River last year and am growing it again as it was one of my favorites. Produced fairly well, both in a pot and in-ground. I live a few miles from the coast though, so it's not has hot as wherever you are.
I have a friend who grows tomatoes near San Gabriel, where the temps are always at least 10 degrees hotter and she grows them very successfully. Of course, the soil in her area is much better than what I have, so she doesn't have to do so much work to amend the soil; it's naturally rich to begin with.

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Carolyn

I can see if taken why you would be opposed to growing this tomato especially if you're palate is more American based. I think for my group it'll work very well as a lot of us happen to love tart flavors and pickled things that would make some peoples jaws hurt. I was worried that it would fall into the category of too hard or mealy or some factor involving mouth feel. I have more issues with that than anything else. I almost feel now that this would be a great tom for guacamole seeing as that the tartness would cut the richness of the avocados wonderfully.

Also some time in the future I might have to inquire with you about the Indian toms that Tatiana and you had mentioned in the other thread.

Peebee Had I read your reply prior to putting in my seed order with OHS I would have kept it in my cart upon check out. I myself am growing in Moreno Valley(inland empire) so I had to factor in the four months that would pretty much sit in the upper 90s. Having read the notes given about it being brought over from Britain, I worried that they might not have faired well in my area. But then again we tend to sit another 5-10º above the SGV on average. Also our soil ranges from decomposed granite to that nasty sun baked desert clay, needless to say my garden composed mainly of raised beds.

[peebee]

I'm pretty sure Copper River was bred by someone here in Napa Valley, CA, not England. They are sweet tasting, not tart.

[epsilon]

The notes I read were posted on Ohio heirlooms site. But after you mentioned it I checked out Tanias Tomato Base and found out other wise, I'm kind of kicking myself in the side after that.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by epsilon

Carolyn

I can see if taken why you would be opposed to growing this tomato especially if you're palate is more American based. I think for my group it'll work very well as a lot of us happen to love tart flavors and pickled things that would make some peoples jaws hurt. I was worried that it would fall into the category of too hard or mealy or some factor involving mouth feel. I have more issues with that than anything else. I almost feel now that this would be a great tom for guacamole seeing as that the tartness would cut the richness of the avocados wonderfully.

Also some time in the future I might have to inquire with you about the Indian toms that Tatiana and you had mentioned in the other thread.

Peebee Had I read your reply prior to putting in my seed order with OHS I would have kept it in my cart upon check out. I myself am growing in Moreno Valley(inland empire) so I had to factor in the four months that would pretty much sit in the upper 90s. Having read the notes given about it being brought over from Britain, I worried that they might not have faired well in my area. But then again we tend to sit another 5-10º above the SGV on average. Also our soil ranges from decomposed granite to that nasty sun baked desert clay, needless to say my garden composed mainly of raised beds.

No, my taste is not American based at all. If you had the opportunity to see all the seed offers I've done since I first started doing them, first in the 80's at the AOL tomato forum
then to GW, then to here, and a few other places I think you'd see that I've grown and tasted tomato varieties from many many countries across the pond, the middle East, the far East, Africa and elsewhere.

I'm just not that fond of what I call aggressive tasting varieties, some would say tart, regardless of where they come from and I'm not alone in that preference.

Carolyn

[Virtex]

I don't live in a extremely hot climate like you but I did watch this great video explaining how to grow any type of tomato in a desert as long as you have enough water. Thought you might be able to use some of the info.

Watch from 31:55 on first video to get the secrets to growing in the desert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gHbsv7DrQ

Shows how she installs the mylar ground cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INtYkPN30Bg

Hope it helps.

- Scott

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Originally Posted by carolyn137

No, my taste is not American based at all. If you had the opportunity to see all the seed offers I've done since I first started doing them, first in the 80's at the AOL tomato forum
then to GW, then to here, and a few other places I think you'd see that I've grown and tasted tomato varieties from many many countries across the pond, the middle East, the far East, Africa and elsewhere.

I'm just not that fond of what I call aggressive tasting varieties, some would say tart, regardless of where they come from and I'm not alone in that preference.

Carolyn

Carolyn

My apologies for making that assumption, Given my background and age group I tend to forget that there are people who have themselves trotted around the globe a few times and have partaken of the various foods offered.

When I am told that something may be too tart, or spicy or bitter I Normally have a hard time believing them. But that's more my fault then theirs. I should have phrased myself better.

Virtex

Thanks for posting up those links, John is an interesting character. but he always has some interesting bit of knowledge to catch. I think I might look into using the Mylar mulch but I wonder how expensive it is? Also in con★★★★★★★★ with some top shading I can see that as becoming an efficient climate/environmental control system.


Though I can see it being quite costly to do it right.