Celebrity Hybrid/Celebrity Bush Hybrid

mikemansker · March 13, 2015

Are the Celebrity and the Celebrity bush the same tomato? I've grown what I thought was Celebrity Bush in containers with excellent results, but if I go to find seeds, about all I see is Celebrity Hybrid.

One of these is true and I'd like help in figuring out which one it is:

1. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are the same tomato. Celebrity just happens to be a bush tomato.

2. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are two distinct tomatoes.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mojave · March 13, 2015

I believe they are one in the same. Celebrity is sometimes referred to as a bush (determinate) type but I always found it to be more of an indeterminate as it pretty much keeps growing all season.

Worth1 · March 13, 2015

I think they are the same some call it a bush determinant and others bush and yet others determinant.
The first year I grew them it was in sandy loam soil and the things got about 5 feet tall and were covered in tomatoes.
I had 12 of them they were beautiful plants.
Every time it rained hard the plants would be up to their eyeballs in water.
It was the spring of 1989.
So it is a big bushy bush.

Worth

Donna Mattingly · March 13, 2015

I can't answer that specific question, but my husband and I have chosen Celebrity as THE safety plant in addition to our heirlooms so that no matter what the season brings us we will have enough tomatoes to can each year. However, I don't know how to explain it, but our Celebrity tomatoes have not been nearly as reliable or good for at least the last three seasons.

AlittleSalt · March 13, 2015

Last year, one of our celebrities got huge. It grew out of a 4' tall cage with branches larger around than my thumb. The leaves and branches were too thick for some of the inner fruit to ripen - so I let my brother have them for his fried green tomatoes.

Yeah, a really big bushy bush that turned into a monster sized plant.

snugglekitten · March 13, 2015

There is more apocrypha and folklore surrounding tomato cultivars than there is for Biblical literature. I wouldn't try to delve too deep into this until we can get a "Maury" show for tomato paternity tests.

mikemansker · March 14, 2015

I appreciate your feedback. I guess the general answer is that there is really only one variety.

b54red · March 14, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donna Mattingly

I can't answer that specific question, but my husband and I have chosen Celebrity as THE safety plant in addition to our heirlooms so that no matter what the season brings us we will have enough tomatoes to can each year. However, I don't know how to explain it, but our Celebrity tomatoes have not been nearly as reliable or good for at least the last three seasons.

For years Celebrity was my safety tomato also but after two years of poor performance I switched to Big Beef. I found it a little more reliable and much better tasting but it does make a much larger plant because it is a true indeterminate.

Bill

March 14, 2015

I totally agree with Donna & b54red-- Celebrity was once my go-to, but in recent years has not done well at all. At first you can say it was weather, etc, but when many people have the same results, you start to think otherwise. I also switched to Big Beef- so far no disappointments at all.

Donna Mattingly · March 14, 2015

I wonder what it is that caused Celebrity to decline in quality as it obviously has for so many of us?

FLRedHeart · March 14, 2015

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemansker

Are the Celebrity and the Celebrity bush the same tomato? I've grown what I thought was Celebrity Bush in containers with excellent results, but if I go to find seeds, about all I see is Celebrity Hybrid.

One of these is true and I'd like help in figuring out which one it is:

1. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are the same tomato. Celebrity just happens to be a bush tomato.

2. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are two distinct tomatoes.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Here's my 2c, for what it's worth LOL.

#1 is correct, since determinate tomatoes are called bush tomatoes by some people. But "bush" wouldn't be part of the name as you have it written in #1, both would refer to the 'Celebrity' F1 hybrid tomato supposedly with a DTM of 72 days

.

There is another variety you probably bought before called 'Bush Celebrity' F1 hybrid, not 'Celebrity Bush' though, which is suited for tomatoes in containers for its smaller size and has the added benefit of maturing a few days earlier, around in 67 days

.

People having Celebrity plants 5 feet tall and doing some vining are planting Celebrity original recipe which is called semi-determinate by many, and may be stretched a bit and called "vining" just to confuse things further, but it is still bushy if that makes sense. I haven't seen authentic 'Bush Celebrity' seeds being sold lately on the seed racks and think many new container varieties are out there that may beat it, but really I don't know what the deal is for home gardeners to grow from seed or why it would have been pulled if that happened.

Hope that helps.

Worth1 · March 14, 2015

I could have swore there were two at one time but now I cant find the bush one.

I even thought TGS sold two types but when I went there yesterday there was only one.
So much for hybrids, we have no control over what comes and goes.

The celebrity they have had in the past few years seem scrawny compared to back in 2003 or 4 the last time I grew them in open soil.
The last two or three years I grew them in raised beds they didn't do as well.
Not even close.
Along with other plants that did just fine in the same soil.
Thus the reason they aren't in my garden now until someone shows me a picture of a 4 foot celebrity again loaded with tomatoes.

Worth

RJGlew · March 14, 2015

Directly from the AAS site:

Tomato 'Celebrity' hybrid. 1984 AAS Vegetable Award Winner
Multiple disease resistance and hybrid vigor for strong, healthy plants and a harvest you can count on. It will produce under a broad range of conditions, and is widely adaptable as a bush, cage, or short stake tomato. 'Celebrity' is a mid-early determinate variety that starts producing in about 70 days from transplant. Its large, deep fruit are firm and exceptionally flavorful.

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Seminis also have it listed as determinate:
http://www.seminis.com/global/us/pro...Celebrity.aspx

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I have also seen it described as semi-determiate elsewhere.

Gardeneer · March 14, 2015

Well, I think that F1 seeds , depending on how and when were collected can be different. Although the parents are the same varieties but they won't be identical. IOW year X parents can be different from year Y parents. How do you grow and chose the parents ? were they pure or maybe were crossed unintentionally ?. So you would end up with different batches of seeds.
Just some thoughts.

FLRedHeart · March 14, 2015

I just looked it up and got a migraine trying to understand the inconsistent descriptions in Googledom. Celebrity is the #1 tomato recommended for us to grow by our State ag experts in my city which isn't an especially long-season place so that's why we get Celebrity pushed on us which makes me rebel.

I gave up after getting to Bonnie Plant's page which at 65 DTM that sounds like the 'Bush Celebrity' plant I started to think, but is labeled as All-American which the 'Bush Celebrity' wouldn't be. And this stuff just seems to morph each year worse on the commercial sites. Not worth deciphering the marketing mess these companies have made. Scrawney plants? Good riddance to all the Celebrities for me, one variety less to worry about getting the "right" seeds.

Don't get me wrong because it was a really hot tomato back then for me, but then so were a lot of other things. Either I got old or some of the varieties got old and who wants to go down that path

March 13, 2015	#2
Mojave Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2012 Location: SF Bay area Z9a Posts: 821	I believe they are one in the same. Celebrity is sometimes referred to as a bush (determinate) type but I always found it to be more of an indeterminate as it pretty much keeps growing all season. __________________ Bill _______________________________________________ When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe. -John Muir Believe those who seek the Truth: Doubt those who find it. -André Gide

March 14, 2015	#7
mikemansker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Branson MO Posts: 441	Thanks! I appreciate your feedback. I guess the general answer is that there is really only one variety.

March 14, 2015	#13
RJGlew Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 646	Directly from the AAS site: Tomato 'Celebrity' hybrid. 1984 AAS Vegetable Award Winner Multiple disease resistance and hybrid vigor for strong, healthy plants and a harvest you can count on. It will produce under a broad range of conditions, and is widely adaptable as a bush, cage, or short stake tomato. 'Celebrity' is a mid-early determinate variety that starts producing in about 70 days from transplant. Its large, deep fruit are firm and exceptionally flavorful. -------------------------------- Seminis also have it listed as determinate: http://www.seminis.com/global/us/pro...Celebrity.aspx --------------------------------- I have also seen it described as semi-determiate elsewhere. Last edited by RJGlew; March 14, 2015 at 11:55 PM.

March 13, 2015	#1
mikemansker Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Branson MO Posts: 441	Celebrity Hybrid/Celebrity Bush Hybrid Are the Celebrity and the Celebrity bush the same tomato? I've grown what I thought was Celebrity Bush in containers with excellent results, but if I go to find seeds, about all I see is Celebrity Hybrid. One of these is true and I'd like help in figuring out which one it is: 1. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are the same tomato. Celebrity just happens to be a bush tomato. 2. Celebrity Hybrid and Celebrity Bush Hybrid are two distinct tomatoes. Thanks in advance for your help.

March 13, 2015	#3
Worth1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Den of Drunken Fools Posts: 38,539	I think they are the same some call it a bush determinant and others bush and yet others determinant. The first year I grew them it was in sandy loam soil and the things got about 5 feet tall and were covered in tomatoes. I had 12 of them they were beautiful plants. Every time it rained hard the plants would be up to their eyeballs in water. It was the spring of 1989. So it is a big bushy bush. Worth

March 13, 2015	#4
Donna Mattingly Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 64	I can't answer that specific question, but my husband and I have chosen Celebrity as THE safety plant in addition to our heirlooms so that no matter what the season brings us we will have enough tomatoes to can each year. However, I don't know how to explain it, but our Celebrity tomatoes have not been nearly as reliable or good for at least the last three seasons.

March 13, 2015	#5
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	Last year, one of our celebrities got huge. It grew out of a 4' tall cage with branches larger around than my thumb. The leaves and branches were too thick for some of the inner fruit to ripen - so I let my brother have them for his fried green tomatoes. Yeah, a really big bushy bush that turned into a monster sized plant.

March 13, 2015	#6
snugglekitten BANNED Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Land of the White Eagle Posts: 341	There is more apocrypha and folklore surrounding tomato cultivars than there is for Biblical literature. I wouldn't try to delve too deep into this until we can get a "Maury" show for tomato paternity tests.

March 14, 2015	#9
JoParrott Guest Posts: n/a	I totally agree with Donna & b54red-- Celebrity was once my go-to, but in recent years has not done well at all. At first you can say it was weather, etc, but when many people have the same results, you start to think otherwise. I also switched to Big Beef- so far no disappointments at all.

March 14, 2015	#14
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,919	Well, I think that F1 seeds , depending on how and when were collected can be different. Although the parents are the same varieties but they won't be identical. IOW year X parents can be different from year Y parents. How do you grow and chose the parents ? were they pure or maybe were crossed unintentionally ?. So you would end up with different batches of seeds. Just some thoughts.

March 14, 2015	#15
FLRedHeart Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: FL 8b/9a Posts: 262	I just looked it up and got a migraine trying to understand the inconsistent descriptions in Googledom. Celebrity is the #1 tomato recommended for us to grow by our State ag experts in my city which isn't an especially long-season place so that's why we get Celebrity pushed on us which makes me rebel. I gave up after getting to Bonnie Plant's page which at 65 DTM that sounds like the 'Bush Celebrity' plant I started to think, but is labeled as All-American which the 'Bush Celebrity' wouldn't be. And this stuff just seems to morph each year worse on the commercial sites. Not worth deciphering the marketing mess these companies have made. Scrawney plants? Good riddance to all the Celebrities for me, one variety less to worry about getting the "right" seeds. Don't get me wrong because it was a really hot tomato back then for me, but then so were a lot of other things. Either I got old or some of the varieties got old and who wants to go down that path