Tania, others: Is this Mikado Oranzhevyi?

[ScottinAtlanta]

Just bought this lovely one pound tomato in the market in Kyiv - the vendor said only it was a Mikado.

I might save some seeds if it is tasty.

[Starlight]

What a pretty looking tomato. Hurry up and take a bite out of it. Curious as to whether it tastes as good as it looks.

[Lindalana]

Wow, where did they grow it?

[carolyn137]

The original Mikado was pink:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Mikado

Tania lists several ones who names start with Mikado and here's the orange one:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Mikado_Oranzhevyi

Call me a purist, call me what you will, actually I prefer Carolyn,, but it seems that anything other than the original is due to cross pollination rarely a mutation, but yes sometimes a mutation, either a seed DNA one or a somatic one in the DNA of a plant cell.

Yes, I know, I know, there's Amana Orange the original and then Amana Pink and I could give many other examples.

Even Craig L and I when I dehybridized an F1 sent back to him from crossing in his garden should not have been named what we named it:

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/B..._(Off_The_Vine)

Because it's not Yellow Brandywine any more, same as with the Wizard of OZ, as in Dorothy this isn't kansas anymore.

Is this keeping an original name, or part of one, as part of a variety name when the crossed or mutated one is no longer the orignal bother anyone else other than me?

Carolyn

[Lindalana]

there is Mikada now too... thinking bi color

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Lindalana

there is Mikada now too... thinking bi color

I went to Tania's to take a look, no Mikada there, then I googled Mikada and nothing but Mikado there.

So please share with us where this Mikada came from that's a gold/red bicolor, I assume.

Carolyn, who didn't go to Ventmarin or any of the other European sites to check.

[Starlight]

If you here :

https://www.mariannasheirloomseeds.c...ck-detail.html

You see in big letters Mikado Black, but the description posts underneath say Mikada. Did somebody accidently misspell, not notice it and folks picking up that Mikada name?

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Starlight

If you here :

https://www.mariannasheirloomseeds.c...ck-detail.html

You see in big letters Mikado Black, but the description posts underneath say Mikada. Did somebody accidently misspell, not notice it and folks picking up that Mikada name?

I think it is a typo b'c in the past I've seen several typos there and also some at Sandhill Preservation and heaven knows I've no doubt done some typos here, especially at night since the light is not good near my keyboard.

Carolyn

[Lindalana]

/http://www.tomat-pomidor.com/newforu...ic,4051.0.html
http://www.ailita.ru/catalog/tomat/27877/

[Worth1]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Is this keeping an original name, or part of one, as part of a variety name when the crossed or mutated one is no longer the orignal bother anyone else other than me?

Carolyn

Yes it bothers me too.
I am kind of fanatical about proper nomenclature and renaming things.

Not that I would let it ruin my day but I dont care for it.

Worth

[MrBig46]

I think it's not so simple. Orange Mikado is a tomato variety of the company Aelita, who also was bred it and had the right to call it Mikada Oranzevaya. I doubt that Marina Kirishcheva had something to do with the cultivation of this tomato.
Some of the Russian language:
Mikado word is neuter gender (it)
Mikada word is feminine gender (she)
Vladimír

[Lindalana]

Considering that unbelievable amount of tomato varieties appeared in former USSR seemingly overnight /you gotta know USSR past when all you see in the stores 3 variety of soap and 2 of shampoo/, long history of changing appearances /world knows Marconi but in USSR school I knew Popov/, it would not surprise me one bit if a lot of those seeds were bought somewhere else and renamed several times over and sold under bunch of fancy names.
Because it will take many people like Tania who will painstakingly trace origins, plant them side by side and verify differences... and even then there will not be a sure way to say it is same?

[carolyn137]

I noted the following in one of the reports on that page you linked to:

Семенами этого сорта поделилась со мной Marinessa (ещё на старом форуме). Необычное название "МикадА" придумала этому сорту фирма "Аэлита", насколько я помню.

Could Marinessa refer to Marianne's site where the typo occurred? And the "a" in Mikada was also typed as an A, not an "a" leading me to suggest that the person was surprised there was something called Mikada.

The rest of the comments on the page referred almost exclusively to Mikado as I remember.

Carolyn

[charley]

scott did you take a bite?how was the taste

[Lindalana]

Carolyn, from what I understand it was some voluntary change on last letter and Mr Big is correct on female and male relationship, Mikada makes it female plant... and Mikado is neutral/ male
however picture shows bicolor? now there is yellow, orange, pink and black also some of them are PL and some are RL...
I do think in Russia people think of their tomatoes as boys or girls- from some of that forum people talking