Det/ Indet Flowering pattern

[NarnianGarden]

Could someone please remind me of the different flower patterns of indeterminate and deteminate varieties? I remember reading something about the topic last year, but cannot find the info... it was something like, first buds appear after five sets of leaves, and the difference between det and indet. Dr. Carolyn et al... please remind me

[ginger2778]

Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

Could someone please remind me of the different flower patterns of indeterminate and deteminate varieties? I remember reading something about the topic last year, but cannot find the info... it was something like, first buds appear after five sets of leaves, and the difference between det and indet. Dr. Carolyn et al... please remind me

Flowers will be every third internode if indy, every second one if determ, and the determ will end in a terminal inflorescence, and I don't know if this is true for tomato plants, but for most other determinate plants that flower, the terminal buds open first on the spray. Truth according to the Master Gardener program of Broward County!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

Could someone please remind me of the different flower patterns of indeterminate and deteminate varieties? I remember reading something about the topic last year, but cannot find the info... it was something like, first buds appear after five sets of leaves, and the difference between det and indet. Dr. Carolyn et al... please remind me

Check out this interesting thread about this topic and good thing that I remembered it,

http://tomatoville.com/showthread.ph...nces+varieties

Start at post 43 and go onward, see that both Maf and Travis agree on internode distances, and also see cut and pastes from the botanical literature that also agree with them.

Yes, it was a long thread but a good one and should answer any questions that anyone has about internode distances defining indet from det varieties.

And note that Andrey comes on board at post 73 to discuss what semi-det might mean.

Enjoy!

Carolyn

[Gardeneer]

Originally Posted by ginger2778

Flowers will be every third internode if indy, every second one if determ, and the determ will end in a terminal inflorescence, and I don't know if this is true for tomato plants, but for most other determinate plants that flower, the terminal buds open first on the spray. Truth according to the Master Gardener program of Broward County!

I think this sums up very effectively, to me, especially when/where you said :

and the determ will end in a terminal inflorescence.

That is a major departure from the indet growth habit that branches keep growing indefinitely (indeterminantly ?!), given certain growing climate.
You can also count the nodes .

Gardeneer

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

I think this sums up very effectively, to me, especially when/where you said :


That is a major departure from the indet growth habit that branches keep growing indefinitely (indeterminantly ?!), given certain growing climate.
You can also count the nodes .

Gardeneer

You did see what Marsha said about the truth of what the Broward Master Gardeners said, and ended with several icons, one of the being.

Two hours before you posted I linked to an excellent thread which had some different information about ind/det from some very savvy tomato breeders as well as some cut and pastes from the Botanical Literature.

I do hope you get a chance to read that linked thread where I suggested that one start at post 43 and noted that Andrey chimed in at post 73.

Carolyn

[ginger2778]

The laugh icon was only about whether a determinate inflorescense actually has the terminal flowers opening and blooming first, as per the teachings of the MG class.

As far as the internode count, Travis at 43 post said what I said, only with more eloquence.

[Worth1]

Why have I not paid any attention to the growth pattern of the said plants.
I'm just looking for tomaters.
Worth

[NarnianGarden]

Thanks for the link & info! I am especially curious to see the differing patterns regarding the first buds - I got several determinates this year and I'm hoping they won't begin their reproductive state too soon. With the weather forecast promising a heat wave, well..

[bower]

There's a surprising amount of variation in cluster/internode counts within the group of true determinates. I grew a bunch of them one year and I wish I had been more meticulous in paying attention and counting the internodes. If I recall correctly, the shortest determinates set the first cluster as a terminal bud, then produced most of their fruit on the lateral branches. I'm thinking of Beaverlodge Plum, Cold Set for example. Some others set more clusters on the primary stem before terminating. The height of the plant then varied from 2 to 3 to 4 ft, due to these differences.

[Gardeneer]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

You did see what Marsha said about the truth of what the Broward Master Gardeners said, and ended with several icons, one of the being.

Two hours before you posted I linked to an excellent thread which had some different information about ind/det from some very savvy tomato breeders as well as some cut and pastes from the Botanical Literature.

I do hope you get a chance to read that linked thread where I suggested that one start at post 43 and noted that Andrey chimed in at post 73.

Carolyn

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I just made a comment on Ginger's post. That is all.
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[loeb]

So what is this, determinate?