VFN Hi Sugar, Lutescent PL Dwarf, others; any info/experience?

[korney19]

Has anybody grown these or have any info about them?

VFN Hi Sugar
Wonder of the Earth
Legenda Tarasenka (Legend of Tarasenka?)
Jack's Giant Oxheart
Red Center Orange (SSE TO-635B)
Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China)
Yellow Multi-colored
Santa Cruz/Santa Cruz B/Santa Cruz Gigante
Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf

Any info/help is greatly appreciated.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

Has anybody grown these or have any info about them?

VFN Hi Sugar
Wonder of the Earth
Legenda Tarasenka (Legend of Tarasenka?)
Jack's Giant Oxheart
Red Center Orange (SSE TO-635B)
Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China)
Yellow Multi-colored
Santa Cruz/Santa Cruz B/Santa Cruz Gigante
Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf

Any info/help is greatly appreciated.

Mark, where Have you been, so glad to see you here, and now just a few comments about the above.

Wonder of the Earth I know as:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Wonder_Light

aka Wonder of the World, aka Plum Lemon which is the name that most folks know it by,

Big Yellow Red Bottom I think I know as:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki...b=General_Info

But maybe not, since no mention of China,

Lutescent Potato Leaf Dwarf I've never heard of, Lutescent itself, yes, I know very well. No time to Google it.

Legenda Tarasenko, Tania lists it:

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Legenda_Tarasenko

I don't know the others and Tania doesn't list the Jack one but I'm assuming you already have Googled most if not all of them.

Carolyn

[korney19]

Hi Carolyn! Hope everything is well with you.

Hahaha! Thanks for trying, you did get Tarasenko right I think! I've grown YORI (Yellow Out Red In) but pretty sure this is something else... actually 2 varieties--

Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China!)

Yellow Multi-colored is also from China!

I will try to post pics if I figure out how--Verizon deleted ALL my mater pics and did away with hosting so have to figure out how to attach...

The Wonder of the Earth (the name she told me didn't have the word "the" but I assume that's a common translation problem) is also called "CHUDO ZEMLI" and she said, "Fruits are very smooth, round-flat, deep pink color. Super large, weighing up to 1200g, wonderful taste."

Sounding that good I figured somebody here must have grown it!

Tatiana's just says it's a Russian commercial variety.

Would you believe the only tomatoes I have planted so far are the 2 different "Stick" tomatoes??? Everything else is still rootbound in 6-packs! I still have some of last year's varieties in the raised beds I must pull what's left and dispose, sanitize and freshen the beds... I have some weed that is about 3 feet tall already I must remove.

I actually just got most of the buckets prepared (not planted yet) using a cement mixer (30 down, 3 more to weed, amend and set in place, lay the driplines, then plant ALL except 2!) 54 varieties including a Stupice that has those long trusses like cherry tomatoes!

We just had some huge storms roll thru around 10:30-11pm, heading your way!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

Hi Carolyn! Hope everything is well with you.

Hahaha! Thanks for trying, you did get Tarasenko right I think! I've grown YORI (Yellow Out Red In) but pretty sure this is something else... actually 2 varieties--

Big Yellow Red Center (SSE TO-667)
Small Yellow Red Bottom (China!)

Yellow Multi-colored is also from China!

I will try to post pics if I figure out how--Verizon deleted ALL my mater pics and did away with hosting so have to figure out how to attach...

The Wonder of the Earth (the name she told me didn't have the word "the" but I assume that's a common translation problem) is also called "CHUDO ZEMLI" and she said, "Fruits are very smooth, round-flat, deep pink color. Super large, weighing up to 1200g, wonderful taste."

Sounding that good I figured somebody here must have grown it!

Tatiana's just says it's a Russian commercial variety.

Would you believe the only tomatoes I have planted so far are the 2 different "Stick" tomatoes??? Everything else is still rootbound in 6-packs! I still have some of last year's varieties in the raised beds I must pull what's left and dispose, sanitize and freshen the beds... I have some weed that is about 3 feet tall already I must remove.

I actually just got most of the buckets prepared (not planted yet) using a cement mixer (30 down, 3 more to weed, amend and set in place, lay the driplines, then plant ALL except 2!) 54 varieties including a Stupice that has those long trusses like cherry tomatoes!

We just had some huge storms roll thru around 10:30-11pm, heading your way!

And just what do you mean when you refer to TWO different Stick plants? I thought the Love Canal toxicity was solved many years ago. I onely know ONE Stick.

The picture you show from a Chinese CO, is that the one that photoshops so many of the varieties they offer? I kid you not, I used to know the name of the CO and somewhere here, kind of way back, there's a thread about that Co with pictures.

Just rain, no T storms, since the temps dropped. But we here in Eastern NY rely on all of you in W NYS to suck the power out of storms before they get to us. It doesn't always work, though, as in two tornado watches for us last week.

Carolyn

[korney19]

I'm not sure which is which, but one has typical, pale green unripe fruits; the other has really dark green unripe fruits...

One was a mutation from Stokesdale; the other was a mutation from Ailsa Craig.

Maybe you know more about those two old commercial varieties and know what they looked like, unripe?

[korney19]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

And just what do you mean when you refer to TWO different Stick plants? I thought the Love Canal toxicity was solved many years ago. I onely know ONE Stick.

The picture you show from a Chinese CO, is that the one that photoshops so many of the varieties they offer? I kid you not, I used to know the name of the CO and somewhere here, kind of way back, there's a thread about that Co with pictures.

Just rain, no T storms, since the temps dropped. But we here in Eastern NY rely on all of you in W NYS to suck the power out of storms before they get to us. It doesn't always work, though, as in two tornado watches for us last week.

Carolyn

You might be thinking of the company that sells seeds to grow strawberries--in white, pink, bright green, bright yellow, and black! LOL. Some even have blue & magenta!

I don't know how the Chinese do it--somebody better tell them that tomatoes have names in the western world! I'm also growing a dwarf, "Heirloom Healthy Vegetable Mini Cherry Red Gem Tomato Seeds." LOL!

I am starting to wonder if businesses are just owned communisticly and proceeds go to the emperor!

Shaking my head, on my way out to the yarden to still weed 3 overgrown raised beds, two paths that disappeared, three 5-gallon buckets, amend them all with 7 cat litter buckets-full of free rotted horse crap, Mel's Square Foot Gardening Ready-To-Use Potting Mix which H-D waived the shipping costs, shredded leaves, then blast 53 rootbound tomato and 22 pepper plants' rootballs with a garden hose to loosen up the roots, plant everything, check all the driplines, install the new fertilizer injector, wire it up, and get something to eat! Well... that's the plan, anyway!

[carolyn137]

About your two supposed Stick plants.

Yes, I know the original was a mutation from Stokesdale and I've never grown Stokesdale.

How do you know that what you say are a different shade of green fruits are a mutant from Aisla Craig?

Yes, I've grown Aisla Craig, I can't remember what it was crossed with which gave rise to the varieties Tangella, Craigella and Tigerella, and no, I have no memory at all what color the unripe fruits of Aisla craig were but I assume they weren't anything much different or I know I would remember.

Back to your aberrent Stick, aka Curl, and being a mutant of Aisla Craig.

For sure I didn't read many of the links in these Google links, but I can't find any connection between a Stick and Aisla Craig.

Why don't you take a look yourself.

And first Tania's link, then the others.

http://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Stick

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...+tomato+origin

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ant+appearance

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...mato+mutations

Happy reading.

Carolyn

[korney19]

See the 2 different NSL #'s:

NSL 116395:
Narrative: Cu/Cu in 'Stokesdale' background


NSL 342302:
Narrative: Cu in 'Ailsa Craig' background

Maybe saying the two "Curls" is more appropriate, but I'd bet if I posted either in a picture, you'd say it's Stick! I've grown both and will try to note differences again, but what stands out the most is the unripe fruit color.

Back outside as not much got done yesterday...

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

See the 2 different NSL #'s:

NSL 116395:
Narrative: Cu/Cu in 'Stokesdale' background


NSL 342302:
Narrative: Cu in 'Ailsa Craig' background

Maybe saying the two "Curls" is more appropriate, but I'd bet if I posted either in a picture, you'd say it's Stick! I've grown both and will try to note differences again, but what stands out the most is the unripe fruit color.

Back outside as not much got done yesterday...

Fine, now all you need to do is to find out the genetic background of Aisla Craig.

The first of the following links gives the most info about that and one link even says it has no mutations.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...omato+genetics

And for your reading pleasure:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ella+Tigerella

and since I know the cross with Aisla Craig was done at the Glasshouse reserach inst.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...a+craig+tomato

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ailsa+craig+tomato

And finally

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...tic+background

Mark, I know I've known you longer than anyone here and here's a trip down memory lane for you.

Shortly after Chuck Wyatt put up his website you were buying seeds from him and you were asking him so many questions that you were essentially driving him crazy.

So, without asking me he told you he would no longer try to answer your questions and told you to ask them of me, and I tried mark, I tried.

I'm sure you remember that and it had to be sometime back in the early to mid 90's, maybe you can remember when.

Carolyn

[korney19]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Fine, now all you need to do is to find out the genetic background of Aisla Craig.

The first of the following links gives the most info about that and one link even says it has no mutations.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...omato+genetics

And for your reading pleasure:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ella+Tigerella

and since I know the cross with Aisla Craig was done at the Glasshouse reserach inst.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...a+craig+tomato

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ailsa+craig+tomato

And finally

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...tic+background

Mark, I know I've known you longer than anyone here and here's a trip down memory lane for you.

Shortly after Chuck Wyatt put up his website you were buying seeds from him and you were asking him so many questions that you were essentially driving him crazy.

So, without asking me he told you he would no longer try to answer your questions and told you to ask them of me, and I tried mark, I tried.

I'm sure you remember that and it had to be sometime back in the early to mid 90's, maybe you can remember when.

Carolyn

Was that before or after the time your lawnmower man kicked up a stone and cracked your full height window or something? I remember Tom Wagner calling me around that time too, tutoring me on making crosses.

As for Chuck, I don't remember what the questions were, but I did notice he had errors in his webpage formatting that made much more words than he intended to appear in bold in the descriptions and offered the correct code to fix the problems FREE of charge, but instead of a simple THANK YOU, he verbally [via email] accosted me telling me to mind my own business! What a shame what happened to all those varieties, and the site.

I notice you misspelled Ailsa Craig six times now--I hope you're not sending me on wild goose chases!

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by korney19

Was that before or after the time your lawnmower man kicked up a stone and cracked your full height window or something? I remember Tom Wagner calling me around that time too, tutoring me on making crosses.

As for Chuck, I don't remember what the questions were, but I did notice he had errors in his webpage formatting that made much more words than he intended to appear in bold in the descriptions and offered the correct code to fix the problems FREE of charge, but instead of a simple THANK YOU, he verbally [via email] accosted me telling me to mind my own business! What a shame what happened to all those varieties, and the site.

I notice you misspelled Ailsa Craig six times now--I hope you're not sending me on wild goose chases!

Yes, I did misspell AILSA CRAIG six times, and when I'm perfect I won't be on earth anymore.

And yes, he had lots of errors at his webpage, no doubt about it.

And yes, he substituted lots of varieties when he ran out, so someone could ask for Crnkovic Yugoslavian and he would have his helper send out Gogosha, both large pinks.

And yes, he had a temper, perhaps from his military background and you might remember that he also ran a cleaning service after he retired. No more flying fighter jets.

THE stone through one of my large windows was here where I now live when the wife of the man who was doing the lawn mowing sent her up here, there was a light coating of snow on the ground but he was an alcoholic and wanted money for booze, and that would have been in either 1999 when I moved here or 2000.

I met Chuck in person when he drove up from MD to Organic Gardening in PA where I was doing a dog and pony show for them on heirloom tomatoes. He was not a well man at that point and died in June of 2002. I kept in contact with his wife and she let the woman who was doing seed packing for him take over the whole site and she had never grown a tomato in her life. Now I remember Chuck's wife's name was Joyce and she was an RN and she asked me to help out the new person, and I tried, but it just didn't work out.

All to say I still miss him. He did have a good sense of humor and he loved to talk tomatoes and had many friends in the area, one of which was Howard Essl who ONCE saw bronze foliage on the variety Abraham Lincoln, but never again. He was a major player at Compuserve and would get back to me with the tomato gossip as well.

Yes, I do miss him.

Carolyn

[NarnianGarden]

I still have a seed pack from that Chinese company somewhere - could not find space for that experiment this year. Next year, perhaps... My seed pack only says 'mixed heirlooms', I wonder what I'll get - hopefully nothing red ... if I want a red tomato, I might as well head straight to the supermarket

[korney19]

Here are more I found... funny how some packs say "Melons" on them!

[NarnianGarden]

Oooooh, you have the whole collection
If I had unlimited space, I would happily grow out the Chinese seeds to see what they give... perhaps next year, at least a few. 20 seeds in the packet...
Wonder if any of them are actual known heirlooms, or just some commercial varieties (nothing wrong with that, just misleading)..

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by NarnianGarden

Oooooh, you have the whole collection
If I had unlimited space, I would happily grow out the Chinese seeds to see what they give... perhaps next year, at least a few. 20 seeds in the packet...
Wonder if any of them are actual known heirlooms, or just some commercial varieties (nothing wrong with that, just misleading)..

Bottom row, third one in from the left is an eggplant, I'm sure everyone noticed.

But not to worry since Mark has offered to grow all that are shown, even the ones labeled MELONS, and definitively ID them for all of us.

Carolyn