My 2016 Grow list and a favor

greenthumbomaha · April 29, 2016

I'm growing a few of these to replenish older seed stock. I'd appreciate it if someone could double check my memory and group these into 3 height categories: medium, tall, and very tall

I have 16 cages for the very tallest plants, excluding cherries. Cherries will get their own area in a separate bed. Plant out looks good for next week, but its really wet and cold this weekend.

2016 Tomato List

1884
Beefmaster * Commercial
Big Beef * Commercial
Bear Claw
Bear Creek
Beduin
Black Krim
Black & Red Boar
Chapman
Coir De Bue
Coules De Tauren
Debarao
Doniski
Earl's Faux
Goose Creek
German Johnson
GGWT
Gold Medal
Indian Stripe
Holy Land
Jet Star * Commercial
Jersey Devil
KBX
Kelloggs Breakfast
Livingston Globe
Ludimella
Lithium Sunset
Magnif Pointe
Magnif Olympia
Mortgage Lifter
Murry Smith
Neves
Orange Minsk
Orange Strawberry
Orange Russian 117
Padano
Rebel Yell
Rose de Bernie
Sungold
Spikes BB
Thessalonki
Wes

**carolyn137** · April 29, 2016

I wish I could help indicate three different heights,but I can't b/c there are so many variables that influence that, so different folks are going to have different ideas,I think,about heights for many and I'm one who sprawled most of my tomatoes,so haven't the faintest idea of heights.

But I hope it won't annoy you too much if I make some comments about your spellings of a few varieties.

Coir is not the word to use, it means something else,it should be Cuore (or Cuor) de Bue (or Bui)depending on on the origin of that variety

Couilles de Taureau is the correct spelling

Neves is Neves Azorean Red, although I do think that most would understand the abbreviation of NAR

Rose de Bernie,should be Rose de Berne,now with Bernie, we don't want to get political here,do we.

Ludmilla is a woman from Kazachstan who moved to Germany and brought three heirloom varieties with her, and they all have Ludmilla as part of the name but all three are different,so no one variety just named Ludmilla.

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...27s_Pink_Heart

I got all three from Reinhard grew all three,and the one I think is best is Ludmilla's Red Plum,not small at all and wonderfully delicious. And offered all three in prior seed offers here at Tville.

But if Karen from Canada is reading this she would say that the pink Heart is the best for her own reasons.

I hope that helps,

Carolyn

Cole_Robbie · April 29, 2016

Jet Star is the only one I see that doesn't get huge.

flyfiishn · April 29, 2016

sungold is always crazy tall for me. Mortgage lifter tall as well and dense leafing, always have to prune for airflow.

Beefmaster- Medium - very stocky stem.

Starlight · April 29, 2016

Rebel Yell didn't get more than 6" tall me for.

Andrey_BY · April 29, 2016

There is also a Russian CV called Lyudmilla (or Ludmilla).
Mid-early, indet. RL plant with red, globe 100-150 g meaty, sweet fruit. Plant is 1-1.5m high. 5-7 fruit in a truss.

dmforcier · April 29, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starlight

Rebel Yell didn't get more than 6" tall me for.

What did you do, step on it?

Gardeneer · April 29, 2016

I think Big Beef is medium tall.

Gardeneer

Starlight · April 29, 2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmforcier

What did you do, step on it?

Oppsie!

That should be 6' . Sorry about that, but sure enjoyed the chuckle from your post.

greenthumbomaha · May 1, 2016

It's still wet and I have every transplant inside my dining area now. . They are too tall for lights. When the ground dries, I'll go to the side of the house and see how the cold varieties are faring in this extended cold/wet period after weeks in the 70's.

Thank you for the spelling corrections and the clarifications, Carolyn. My first selection of seeds was based purely on seed age and with my old eyes it's not always easy to see the tiniest print. So these names are from my original tags. Ludmilla will show herself soon. Same with Cuor de Bu?. We shall see what grows... In every case I was very pleased with the selections after researching my treasures. Like winning the tomato lottery.

Here are a few more that I overlooked in my original list : Summer cider
Dester
Peiping Cheich
Box Car Willie

The tallest among the seedlings is Rose de Bernie

- Lisa

My dwarf project variety is Priddy, which has Mortgage Lifter as a parent. I have yet to see excess foliage - interesting.

pondgardener · May 1, 2016

Lisa,

Of those on your list that I grew last year, both Wes and Orange Russian #117 both grew at least 6' tall and then started to come out of the cages. Big Beef Hybrid seemed to be less vigorous, but as Carolyn may have mentioned, a lot depends on how they are grown regarding spacing, fertilization, amount of sunlight and other variables.

George

Gardeneer · May 1, 2016

If you get mostly mid day sun, the height difference should not be a problem, adding to that if there are generously spaced.

Gardeneer

Cole_Robbie · May 1, 2016

Peiping Chieh (pronounced BAY-ping, translated: Beijing Tomato) is a large indeterminate. I had trouble with catfacing. But when I quit watering the plants in the high tunnel and left them for dead for a month, the Peiping Chieh was still alive, and the fruit I picked were just amazing in flavor. It really benefits from not being over-watered, which I think is what is happened in the high tunnel environment.

greenthumbomaha · May 1, 2016

I'm really enjoying reading all the personal accounts. Thanks to everyone for sharing all the tips and stories.

I am getting more conscientious at keeping a journal. I appreciate the work and sharing of info on a whole new level. It's nice to have an idea what to expect going forward. I'm glad I decided to start Peiping Chieh!

- Lisa

simmran1 · May 2, 2016

just weighing in - I grow Earl's Faux every other year, and from my growing experience Earl's Faux is very Brandywine-like, and needs room to grow, as in 5 feet spread and height is a good 6 feet.

As Carolyn mentioned this depends on soil fertility, sunlight hours and other factors, but that is one i know well and it has never been a small-medium plant for me.

April 29, 2016	#2
carolyn137 Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Upstate NY, zone 4b/5a Posts: 21,169	I wish I could help indicate three different heights,but I can't b/c there are so many variables that influence that, so different folks are going to have different ideas,I think,about heights for many and I'm one who sprawled most of my tomatoes,so haven't the faintest idea of heights. But I hope it won't annoy you too much if I make some comments about your spellings of a few varieties. Coir is not the word to use, it means something else,it should be Cuore (or Cuor) de Bue (or Bui)depending on on the origin of that variety Couilles de Taureau is the correct spelling Neves is Neves Azorean Red, although I do think that most would understand the abbreviation of NAR Rose de Bernie,should be Rose de Berne,now with Bernie, we don't want to get political here,do we. Ludmilla is a woman from Kazachstan who moved to Germany and brought three heirloom varieties with her, and they all have Ludmilla as part of the name but all three are different,so no one variety just named Ludmilla. http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...27s_Pink_Heart I got all three from Reinhard grew all three,and the one I think is best is Ludmilla's Red Plum,not small at all and wonderfully delicious. And offered all three in prior seed offers here at Tville. But if Karen from Canada is reading this she would say that the pink Heart is the best for her own reasons. I hope that helps, Carolyn __________________ Carolyn

April 29, 2016	#6
Andrey_BY Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Belarus, Eastern Europe (Zone 4a) Posts: 2,278	There is also a Russian CV called Lyudmilla (or Ludmilla). Mid-early, indet. RL plant with red, globe 100-150 g meaty, sweet fruit. Plant is 1-1.5m high. 5-7 fruit in a truss. __________________ 1 kg=2.2 lb , 1 m=39,37 in , 1 oz=28.35 g , 1 ft=30.48 cm , 1 lb= 0,4536 kg , 1 in=2.54 cm , 1 l = 0.26 gallon , 0 C=32 F Andrey a.k.a. TOMATODOR

May 1, 2016	#10
greenthumbomaha Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Omaha Zone 5 Posts: 2,514	It's still wet and I have every transplant inside my dining area now. . They are too tall for lights. When the ground dries, I'll go to the side of the house and see how the cold varieties are faring in this extended cold/wet period after weeks in the 70's. Thank you for the spelling corrections and the clarifications, Carolyn. My first selection of seeds was based purely on seed age and with my old eyes it's not always easy to see the tiniest print. So these names are from my original tags. Ludmilla will show herself soon. Same with Cuor de Bu?. We shall see what grows... In every case I was very pleased with the selections after researching my treasures. Like winning the tomato lottery. Here are a few more that I overlooked in my original list : Summer cider Dester Peiping Cheich Box Car Willie The tallest among the seedlings is Rose de Bernie - Lisa My dwarf project variety is Priddy, which has Mortgage Lifter as a parent. I have yet to see excess foliage - interesting. Last edited by greenthumbomaha; May 1, 2016 at 11:49 AM. Reason: added priddy info

May 1, 2016	#12
Gardeneer Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: NC - zone 8a - heat zone 7 Posts: 4,919	If you get mostly mid day sun, the height difference should not be a problem, adding to that if there are generously spaced. Gardeneer Last edited by Gardeneer; May 2, 2016 at 01:39 AM.

May 1, 2016	#13
Cole_Robbie Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Illinois, zone 6 Posts: 8,407	Peiping Chieh (pronounced BAY-ping, translated: Beijing Tomato) is a large indeterminate. I had trouble with catfacing. But when I quit watering the plants in the high tunnel and left them for dead for a month, the Peiping Chieh was still alive, and the fruit I picked were just amazing in flavor. It really benefits from not being over-watered, which I think is what is happened in the high tunnel environment. Last edited by Cole_Robbie; May 1, 2016 at 10:17 PM.

April 29, 2016	#1
greenthumbomaha Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Omaha Zone 5 Posts: 2,514	My 2016 Grow list and a favor I'm growing a few of these to replenish older seed stock. I'd appreciate it if someone could double check my memory and group these into 3 height categories: medium, tall, and very tall I have 16 cages for the very tallest plants, excluding cherries. Cherries will get their own area in a separate bed. Plant out looks good for next week, but its really wet and cold this weekend. 2016 Tomato List 1884 Beefmaster * Commercial Big Beef * Commercial Bear Claw Bear Creek Beduin Black Krim Black & Red Boar Chapman Coir De Bue Coules De Tauren Debarao Doniski Earl's Faux Goose Creek German Johnson GGWT Gold Medal Indian Stripe Holy Land Jet Star * Commercial Jersey Devil KBX Kelloggs Breakfast Livingston Globe Ludimella Lithium Sunset Magnif Pointe Magnif Olympia Mortgage Lifter Murry Smith Neves Orange Minsk Orange Strawberry Orange Russian 117 Padano Rebel Yell Rose de Bernie Sungold Spikes BB Thessalonki Wes Last edited by greenthumbomaha; April 29, 2016 at 12:24 AM. Reason: added Earl's Faux

April 29, 2016	#4
flyfiishn Tomatovillian™ Join Date: May 2014 Location: Northern CA Posts: 80	sungold is always crazy tall for me. Mortgage lifter tall as well and dense leafing, always have to prune for airflow. Beefmaster- Medium - very stocky stem.

April 29, 2016	#5
Starlight Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: AL Posts: 1,993	Rebel Yell didn't get more than 6" tall me for.

May 1, 2016	#11
pondgardener Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 361	Lisa, Of those on your list that I grew last year, both Wes and Orange Russian #117 both grew at least 6' tall and then started to come out of the cages. Big Beef Hybrid seemed to be less vigorous, but as Carolyn may have mentioned, a lot depends on how they are grown regarding spacing, fertilization, amount of sunlight and other variables. George __________________ “Live as if you'll die tomorrow, but farm as if you'll live forever.” Old Proverb

May 2, 2016	#15
simmran1 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Iowa Zone 5 Posts: 305	just weighing in - I grow Earl's Faux every other year, and from my growing experience Earl's Faux is very Brandywine-like, and needs room to grow, as in 5 feet spread and height is a good 6 feet. As Carolyn mentioned this depends on soil fertility, sunlight hours and other factors, but that is one i know well and it has never been a small-medium plant for me. __________________ Tomatovillain