F2 Sun Sugar and Cherokee Purple from saved seeds

Jacobt · May 19, 2016

This is my first year growing from seeds I saved from last year. My first question is two of my Cherokee Purple tomatoes are round and smooth the other two are odd shaped and have ridges. Is this common in Cherokee Purple? Just different phenos?

Second question. I was told in a previous post tomatoes have about a 5% chance of hybridization on there own naturally. Three of my F2 sun sugar look like sun sugar but larger. And two are much larger and look like they will have black shoulders. They still have the "nipple" at the bottom. Could these be hybrids? Only possibilly would be Cherokee Purple or indigo rose.

maxjohnson · May 19, 2016

Cherokee Purple come in odd shapes, not always round, but the skin should be smooth, it's prone to crack and catfacing. Personally I tell by the taste and the cross section, or at least it helps.

Cross pollination can happen if you grow them close together.

Jacobt · May 30, 2016

Most of my tomatoes crossed on their own. I have heard this doesn't usually happen but about 50% of the seeds I've grown from my seeds I saved from last year appear to be crosses.

Top left was supposed to be Cherokee Purple, but looks like Cherokee Purple X sun sugar.

Bottom left was supposed to be black krim, but looks like black krim X indigo rose.

Bottom right was supposed to be F2 Sun sugar but looks like sun sugar X indigo rose.

Top right is F2 Sun sugar.

I have two black krim, Cherokee Purple and Sun Sugar. But everything looks like and indigo rose or a sun sugar cross. I'm very disappointed with this year's garden. I don't know if I'll save seeds again. So far nothing tastes good at all.

KC.Sun · May 31, 2016

Jacob,

From what I've heard, hybrids rarely taste good, especially in the F1 generation.

You will have to search through multiple growl outs to see if it's worth carrying forward. It often takes many generations before you can find and stabilize genes to create a good tomato. But there are also times that the tomato isn't good at all.

if this is the F1 generation, then hypothetically many dominant traits are masking potential flavor profiles. So it don't necessarily mean it isn't worth growing.

You just have to grow many many plants after the F1 generation to see if you can find anything worth your efforts.

It seems highly likely that you have an F1 cross if you grew indigo rose last year.

I think your Sunsugar would be Sunsugar F1 x indigo rose at this time if what you predict is true.

Scooty · May 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by Jacobt

Most of my tomatoes crossed on their own. I have heard this doesn't usually happen but about 50% of the seeds I've grown from my seeds I saved from last year appear to be crosses.

Top left was supposed to be Cherokee Purple, but looks like Cherokee Purple X sun sugar.

Bottom left was supposed to be black krim, but looks like black krim X indigo rose.

Bottom right was supposed to be F2 Sun sugar but looks like sun sugar X indigo rose.

Top right is F2 Sun sugar.

I have two black krim, Cherokee Purple and Sun Sugar. But everything looks like and indigo rose or a sun sugar cross. I'm very disappointed with this year's garden. I don't know if I'll save seeds again. So far nothing tastes good at all.

How close were the plants in the year prior? Did you bag your blossoms?

Jacobt · May 31, 2016

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Originally Posted by Scooty

How close were the plants in the year prior? Did you bag your blossoms?

They were planted 3 feet from each other. Nothing was bagged. The indigo rose and sun sugar were big bushy plants with tons of flowers.

May 19, 2016	#2
maxjohnson Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: OH 6a Posts: 592	Cherokee Purple come in odd shapes, not always round, but the skin should be smooth, it's prone to crack and catfacing. Personally I tell by the taste and the cross section, or at least it helps. Cross pollination can happen if you grow them close together. Last edited by maxjohnson; May 19, 2016 at 12:24 PM.

May 31, 2016	#4
KC.Sun Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: 6a Posts: 322	Jacob, From what I've heard, hybrids rarely taste good, especially in the F1 generation. You will have to search through multiple growl outs to see if it's worth carrying forward. It often takes many generations before you can find and stabilize genes to create a good tomato. But there are also times that the tomato isn't good at all. if this is the F1 generation, then hypothetically many dominant traits are masking potential flavor profiles. So it don't necessarily mean it isn't worth growing. You just have to grow many many plants after the F1 generation to see if you can find anything worth your efforts. It seems highly likely that you have an F1 cross if you grew indigo rose last year. I think your Sunsugar would be Sunsugar F1 x indigo rose at this time if what you predict is true.