Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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February 23, 2007 | #1 |
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Gardeners Delight
Gardeners delight is a variety I really want to try out this year.
Is there a lot of different strains of this tomato? I read a website that says there is an irish version? I just want to grow the best one if there is more than one type of gardeners delight/sugar lump. Jim |
February 23, 2007 | #2 |
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Interesting question. Don't know the answer.
I think I recall Earl being a fan of it, except for the cracking............ |
February 23, 2007 | #3 |
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Gardeners Delight
Yes there is a gardeners delight on this side of the pond.
Not sure however if it irish or english though. Have a feeling its english.
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February 23, 2007 | #4 |
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The other name for Gardener's Delight is Sugar Lump and it's a former German commercial OP as I recall.
But don't misinterpret that Sugar Lump name to indicate that the fruits are all that sweet, b'c they aren't, which is one reason I like it. My first choice in red cherries is Chadwick's Cherry, aka Camp Joy, but Gardener's Delight wouldn't be far behind.
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February 23, 2007 | #5 |
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I've grown Gardener's Delight and like it very much. The info I have on it is that it is an English variety.
Alex
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February 24, 2007 | #6 |
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Thanks Everyone!
Maybe it is just all one strain that got started in europe of gardeners delight. Who sells seeds for Camp joy/ Chadwick's cherry? I have the tomato growers supply catalog and totally tomatoes catalog and it's not listed. I thought I have to try this if Carolyn says it's her favorite red cherry! Jim |
February 24, 2007 | #7 |
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Who sells seeds for Camp joy/ Chadwick's cherry?
******* Jim, I don't remember and I didn't take the time to Google it to answer your question, but if you e-mail me with your address I'll send you a few seeds. As usual, per my seed offer here at Tville now closed, no guarantee of seed purity and those seeds are just a few years old, so germination should be fine.
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February 24, 2007 | #8 |
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It is a favorite with a reason.
Camp Joy Garden, is an organic farm near the northern California mountain town of Boulder Creek, California. This choice heirloom was originally from George Pilger, an elderly neighbor, retired park ranger and avid gardener, who'd saved his own seed for many years and passed it on to the young farmers in the early 1970's. Interestingly enough, it was uncannily similar to a delicious large cherry that Camp Joy farmers had grown at University of California Santa Cruz when they worked there with their mentor Alan Chadwick. So rather than call it Pilger or Chadwick cherry, it became known as the Camp Joy cherry tomato. It is noted for balanced tomato flavor with relatively less sweetness than many commercial cherry varieties. You will find it listed by just about every seed seller on the west coast. But if Carolyn has seeds.....*S* Fusion |
February 24, 2007 | #9 |
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Fusion, I can't cite any sources to link to, but my understanding from reading the blurbs of several in the older SSE Yerbooks is that Alan Chadwick, the noted English gardener, was in residence at Bountiful Gardens in CA where he was teaching classes about organic gardening and it was he who developed it and it was grown at Camp Joy, which was the organic farm maintained by Bountiful gardens.
And thus that one variety got two names as in Camp Joy/Chadwicks Cherry. No one has mentioned the U of CA and no one has mentioned someone named Pilger. But Bountiful Gardens, still active in organic gardening, teaching, selling seed as I recall and offering other info, and Camp Joy being a gathering place and farm of theirs, has been mentioned by quite a few. I will Google Bountiful Gardens and see what they are doing these days since I haven't done that in a good long while. Regardless, by any other name it's still my favorite red cherry of a large type and Sara's Galapagos is my favorite small red currant size variety.
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February 24, 2007 | #10 |
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Uno,
I think that I have both Gardener's Delight and Chadwick. Will add to other OPs as wanted. There are some probs with Camp Joy and Chadwick variants compliments of Terra Edibles and cronies. Carolyn knows the history and can comment, if she has the energy after Shah Mikado. Someone from the Bountiful Garden workshops mentioned at GW long ago that the indeterminate cherry called Chadwick was already being grown in Cali and was named (or renamed) after Chadwick (as a memorial) but NOT selected or developed by him as so many seed catalogues claim. Jennifer, big on the latter, so-so on the former (Gardener's Delight) |
February 24, 2007 | #11 |
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There are some probs with Camp Joy and Chadwick variants compliments of Terra Edibles and cronies. Carolyn knows the history and can comment, if she has the energy after Shah Mikado.
***** I most definitely do NOT have the energy to speak to the Terra Edibles situation. It's a Canadian Co so why don't you if you have the energy? Suffice it to say that some places list Camp Joy and Gardeners Delight separately and some list both Gardener's Delight and Sugar Lump at the same time, as did TT last year; I didn't check this year. When I get some free time from packing tomato seeds and rounding up my tax info stuff and reading my current book and looking out the window at the birdies and going thru my catalogs to select more roses and shrubs and daylilies and other perennials, I'll try and do some Googling to see what I come up with. And any of you can do the same, as in Googling.
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February 24, 2007 | #12 |
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Gardner's Delight, is available in every single garden centre and seed store over here in the Uk, and is probably the most commonly grown cherry tomato, being very simular to sweet 100, I can hardly tell the difference, except that perhaps it doesnt split quite as much.-the colour and shoulders of the tomato are slightly different though.
Sweetness- all the GD's that I have tasted are all pretty sweet in flavour and slightly tangy,that appears to be the reason why folks like them the most, -very easy to grow, and are virtualy trouble free all season long, |
February 24, 2007 | #13 |
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As FusionPower notes, Alan Chadwick was in residence at the University of California at Santa Cruz, where he founded the Organic Farm and Garden program. So, whatever the origin of the tomato cultivar sometimes known by his name, I'm sure it was grown on the campus at some point.
The extraordinarily beautiful Chadwick Garden still exists on the upper campus, just a ten minute walk away from the student housing I stayed in while attending the school. I collected seeds of the cultivar last summer (from fruits taken from a community college demonstration garden, I hope they're not crossed), and I will try to find space to grow them out this season. I've also grown "Gardener's Delight" in the past, and I do remember quite liking it. |
March 20, 2007 | #14 |
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Gardener's Delight is being offered by Orgarden over at Idig. I think he/she might be willing to share a few more with friends.
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