Striped Roman

flowerpower · March 23, 2007

I am a tad bit confused. Are Striped Roman and Speckled Roman the same variety? Or is one a variation of the other?Hard to tell from pics. Baker Creek has them listed as "Striped" & SSE as "Speckled". Thanks

johno · March 23, 2007

I grew Striped Roman a couple of years ago, and it wasn't speckled... Never tried the SSE Speckled Roman, though.

PNW_D · March 23, 2007

Speckled Roman
Probably my best new variety of 1999, and definitely in my top 10 list; 5x3" tapered red fruits with stunning wavy orange stripes; fruits meaty and with excellent flavor; the markings are more distinct than reported by John Swenson in the 1999 Yearbook
IL SW J 99
Chance cross of Antique Roman with Banana Legs.

Info from Jeff's Heirloom Archive site.

My understanding is they are one in the same. Productive and very nice for a paste the one year I grew them.

foolcontrol · March 23, 2007

They are both the same.

**Tom Wagner** · March 23, 2007

Just a line to state the same. Both Speckled and Striped Roman are used for this line.

As pretty as the Speckled and Striped Roman tomatoes are, a similar line out of my breeding work called Casady's Folly is a step up. The stripes are more zig zag than the Roman types. I am seeding just now some hybrids of Speckled Roman and Casady's Folly, plus oodles of crosses of those to other lines. My Banana Legs variety (developed in the 1970's) is like the Green Zebra; many chance offsprings are out there. I have controlled crosses and segregants that may see some public viewing someday.

Tom Wagner

flowerpower · March 25, 2007

Thanks everyone for clearing that up for me. (To me, "speckled" & ''striped" are 2 different patterns). I am really new to all the different varieties available.

I bought the striped from BC. Is anyone growing the speckled from SSE? We could compare them later on, just to see.

obispo45 · March 26, 2007

Grew Speckled Roman for the first time last season and just LOVED it!!! The judges at the County Fair loved it too... color my ribbon blue baby, LOL!! According to the folks working the produce barn that was far and away the most asked about specimen there. When one beats out a pumpkin(in terms of fairgoer inquires) the size of Texas all is well in the tomato world. Also made a few new friends there mainly due to this wonderful cultivar. Had 5 Speckled Roman plants last season. Four of them threw fruits true to description at me. The fifth plant was another story. No problems....huge yield, great taste and plenty of off-type fruits. Saved seed from a good number of these fruits and will include them in my sowing which I'll start Fri PM. Can't wait to see what happens!! Thanks for a splendid tomato Tom. Regards

flowerpower · March 27, 2007

Isn't Striped roman supposed to be a plum style? That pic does not look like what I was expecting to get.( See the SSE online catalog) It looks too round and it should be long and skinny with a pointed end. Could that be Red Zebra?

obispo45 · March 27, 2007

Nope. Flowerpower the pic above is a Speckled Roman, just an off type fruit. Saved seeds from maybe 12 offtypes similar to the pic above. Hate using percentages some times but roughly 99% of the fruits from 4 of my Speckled Roman plants were true or extremely close to description. The 5th plant was another story...maybe 3% of the fruits were not even close to the the cultivar description. Most of the offtype fruits were confined to two branches on the plant in question.

johno · March 27, 2007

All the Striped Romans I grew were long and of small diameter.

flowerpower · March 29, 2007

Obisbo, thanks for the info. Very interesting how it was only on 2 branches. Cool.

John, that's what I thought. Are they seedy?

piegirl · March 30, 2007

Always hate to be the negative one, however, Roman Stripe appeared
at the first Midwest Tomato Fest. Wow, This is one of the most
beautiful tomatoes I have ever seen, any of us had seen. Maggie brought four - fairly
large, oblong, perfect in shape, etc. Just picture perfect and
then we sliced and diced. In the end, they were voted the worst
tasting out of 50 samples. In fairness, I would certainly give
them another try because of varying weather conditions, etc.
They were organically grown. Piegirl

obispo45 · March 30, 2007

Piegirl, I'm fairly new here and by no means am I an authority on anything....except....well, let me think....GOT IT, how my beloved baseball team should use their bullpen

!!. I'm obviously kidding(kinda sort of..LOL) and you're not being negative. You stated what was what. Mentioned some positives, negatives and talked about a "second chance" so to speak. Can't really ask for much more after a bad review. I'm biased though...give er' another try

. Cheers

flowerpower · April 1, 2007

Piegirl, thanks for an honest opinion. Let us know how they fare this yr.

johno · April 1, 2007

Seedy? Hmm... It's been a couple of years since I grew them, what I really remember well is that they were one of the sweetest tomatoes I had eaten at that point in time, and that they were delicate in texture. I want to say they had a lot of gel, so probably at least an average amount of seeds, but memory isn't one of my strongest attributes...

March 23, 2007	#1
flowerpower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catskill Mountains, NY Z5 Posts: 94	Striped Roman I am a tad bit confused. Are Striped Roman and Speckled Roman the same variety? Or is one a variation of the other?Hard to tell from pics. Baker Creek has them listed as "Striped" & SSE as "Speckled". Thanks

March 23, 2007	#3
PNW_D Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 961	Speckled Roman Speckled Roman Probably my best new variety of 1999, and definitely in my top 10 list; 5x3" tapered red fruits with stunning wavy orange stripes; fruits meaty and with excellent flavor; the markings are more distinct than reported by John Swenson in the 1999 Yearbook IL SW J 99 Chance cross of Antique Roman with Banana Legs. Info from Jeff's Heirloom Archive site. My understanding is they are one in the same. Productive and very nice for a paste the one year I grew them. __________________ D.

March 30, 2007	#13
obispo45 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SE Minnesota Zone 4.51a Posts: 139	Piegirl, I'm fairly new here and by no means am I an authority on anything....except....well, let me think....GOT IT, how my beloved baseball team should use their bullpen!!. I'm obviously kidding(kinda sort of..LOL) and you're not being negative. You stated what was what. Mentioned some positives, negatives and talked about a "second chance" so to speak. Can't really ask for much more after a bad review. I'm biased though...give er' another try. Cheers

March 23, 2007	#2
johno Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Arkansas zone 6b Posts: 441	I grew Striped Roman a couple of years ago, and it wasn't speckled... Never tried the SSE Speckled Roman, though.

March 23, 2007	#4
foolcontrol Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 53	They are both the same.

March 23, 2007	#5
Tom Wagner Crosstalk™ Forum Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 8407 18th Ave West 7-203 Everett, Washington 98204 Posts: 1,157	Just a line to state the same. Both Speckled and Striped Roman are used for this line. As pretty as the Speckled and Striped Roman tomatoes are, a similar line out of my breeding work called Casady's Folly is a step up. The stripes are more zig zag than the Roman types. I am seeding just now some hybrids of Speckled Roman and Casady's Folly, plus oodles of crosses of those to other lines. My Banana Legs variety (developed in the 1970's) is like the Green Zebra; many chance offsprings are out there. I have controlled crosses and segregants that may see some public viewing someday. Tom Wagner

March 25, 2007	#6
flowerpower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catskill Mountains, NY Z5 Posts: 94	Thanks everyone for clearing that up for me. (To me, "speckled" & ''striped" are 2 different patterns). I am really new to all the different varieties available. I bought the striped from BC. Is anyone growing the speckled from SSE? We could compare them later on, just to see.

March 27, 2007	#8
flowerpower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catskill Mountains, NY Z5 Posts: 94	Isn't Striped roman supposed to be a plum style? That pic does not look like what I was expecting to get.( See the SSE online catalog) It looks too round and it should be long and skinny with a pointed end. Could that be Red Zebra?

March 29, 2007	#11
flowerpower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catskill Mountains, NY Z5 Posts: 94	Obisbo, thanks for the info. Very interesting how it was only on 2 branches. Cool. John, that's what I thought. Are they seedy?

March 30, 2007	#12
piegirl Tomatovillian™ Honoree Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 791	Always hate to be the negative one, however, Roman Stripe appeared at the first Midwest Tomato Fest. Wow, This is one of the most beautiful tomatoes I have ever seen, any of us had seen. Maggie brought four - fairly large, oblong, perfect in shape, etc. Just picture perfect and then we sliced and diced. In the end, they were voted the worst tasting out of 50 samples. In fairness, I would certainly give them another try because of varying weather conditions, etc. They were organically grown. Piegirl

April 1, 2007	#14
flowerpower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Catskill Mountains, NY Z5 Posts: 94	Piegirl, thanks for an honest opinion. Let us know how they fare this yr.