Member discussion regarding the methods, varieties and merits of growing tomatoes.
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April 18, 2020 | #1 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Las Cruces NM
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An Heirloom need
I am in Las Cruces NM, Climate is hot and dry.
I am looking for an heirloom tomato that would produce here. The other consideration, perhaps the most important one, is my ground is sandy and has RKNs. I would prefer a yellow variety. My main problem though is I need a RKN resistant one. Anyone have a suggestion. Porters Pride produce well until the nematodes take them. |
April 19, 2020 | #2 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Las Cruces NM
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50 views and not one suggestion?
How about a red or pink then? |
April 19, 2020 | #3 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Northern Minnesota - zone 3
Posts: 3,231
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Don't give up yet, many of the views so far may be from growers in the northern half of the country, that can't give personal advice to growing in your hot and dry conditions. I'm sure some will be along eventually that have, some may only check in here a few times a week.
I do know that quite a few in the south with RKN problems have gone to growing in self-watering containers or large pots raised above the ground. Would that be an option for you?
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April 19, 2020 | #4 |
Tomatovillian™
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Location: S.E. Wisconsin Zone 5b
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Hi NM Dirt Digger,
I don't know of any heirloom tomatoes that have RKN resistance, but there are several hybrids that have some level of resistance to RKN (root knot nematodes). The level of RKN resistance in Mi-gene-bearing tomatoes can vary from good to intermediate. Sanibel, Daytona, and Mariana have good resistance, while Skyway 687, Southern Ripes, SV 7631TD, and Felicity provide intermediate resistance. https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/in1250 Dutch
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April 19, 2020 | #5 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Las Cruces NM
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I have 5 planter boxes in use now. Just looking for something to put in place where I have some extra room. Next year I may put in a few more boxes. This year, well not by being shut down. I will grow a cover crop of winter rye in the late fall to help with RKN. Just hoping to try something this year.
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April 19, 2020 | #6 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Ontario
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I was going to comment about using Earthboxes, but I thought that someone from the south could help you better.
If you are looking for good-tasting compact varieties to grow in your planter boxes, I would suggest Bulgarian Triumph which has red saladettes. Maglia Rosa is another very tasty one which has 2" long pink bullet-shaped tomatoes, and Blush is very similar with yellow bi-colour tomatoes. The last two are available from Artisan Seeds. I would say that Bulgarian Triumph would do best in a 5 gallon sized pot, whereas Maglia Rosa and Blush would be fine in 3-gallon containers. Linda |
April 19, 2020 | #7 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Charleston, SC
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Have you thought about purchasing grafted heirlooms ? They have produced well for me in nematode infested raised beds, I have since transitioned to earth boxes. Online grafted tomatoes might be sold out this year quick though - because everybody's at home...
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April 20, 2020 | #8 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Alabama
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Manyel is fairly reliable. It is not that good against RKN but produces fairly quickly and makes a crop before it dies.
Heidi is arguably one of the best choices if you are looking for a paste type tomato. Red Mortgage Lifter is a large fruited variety that has done well in nematode infested soil in this area. Tropic, Burgundy Traveler, and Creole are possibles though none of them are super high on the flavor totem pole. As others have posted, the mi gene is only moderately effective because it is disabled at very high temperatures. After soil temps hit 90 degrees, it is almost useless. |
April 20, 2020 | #9 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Indiana
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I'm in the midwest, and without RKN, but I have a couple of thoughts. I remember an article in Organic Gardening in the 70's from a person in NM, and he buried a plastic trash bag filled with "good" soil. Would a heavy bag stop RKN? If so, you'd have a lot of choices. Second idea -- use an (inexpensive) grow bag sitting on a barrier to the RKN. Third, have you investigated the resistant varieties from Hawaii? I think it is the University of Hawaii that has conducted extensive research into RKN. Not nearly as hot, but they might have some thoughts. Good luck!
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April 20, 2020 | #10 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MA/NH Border
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Smaller plants in five gallon plastic grow bags can work really well, though they will need constant watering as they will dry out much more quickly in hot weather. If you can manage the watering needs and go with grow bags, check out the Dwarf Project varieties as I know there are a fair amount of yellow ones.
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April 23, 2020 | #11 |
Tomatovillian™
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Location: Alabama
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My soil has always been infested heavily with nematodes and the sandier it is the worse the RKN problems will be so building up the soil with some organic matter will help some but it will not stop them. Mulching heavily also delays the nematodes somewhat. Grafted plants is how I have mostly solved the problem but even they will eventually sometimes end up with some nematode damage but their tolerance is a big help most of the time.
Before I started grafting I had two problems with both fusarium wilt and nematodes. I frequently lost a lot of my plants to one or both. I did find that some varieties resisted the RKN better than others. Of the yellows I used to grow both KBX and Dr. Wyches were the best and sometimes lived the whole season. I found Neves Azorean Red to be more resistant than most others but also had some luck with Arkansas Traveler, Stump of the World, 1884, Brandywine Cowlick's, Indian Stripe and Spudakee. If you can get some Big Beefs they are decent tasting hybrids that have some tolerance to RKN and they do well in the heat also. Bill |
April 24, 2020 | #12 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Las Cruces NM
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Thanks for the recommendations. I have been thinking of trying Heidi. I grow most of my tomatoes in boxes. But, my cucumbers have been taking up some room lately. Nematodes are so bad here I can't grow figs either. Going to plant winter rye this year to hopefully have some control over them.
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April 24, 2020 | #13 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 217
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Elbon Rye is worth considering as a cover crop.
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May 26, 2020 | #14 |
Tomatovillian™
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Reading, Pennsylvania
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Marigolds are supposed to be effective in acting as a trap crop. Once they start eating the roots to the marigolds, the natural nematicides kill the nematode and prevent it from breeding. Over time the population of nematodes decreases. I figure interplanting may be something to consider as well. Stick with a dwarf variety so your tomatoes still get good air circulation.
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